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GSSS #1 The CRUCIBLE results and payout

Postby keith johnson » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:15 pm

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Postby Q Mayben » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:52 pm

par is wrong on the pdga, not that it really matters.
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Postby keith johnson » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:29 pm

Q Mayben wrote:par is wrong on the pdga, not that it really matters.


I disagree with Doug in that the Pro par is really 68, not 69 and the par from the shorts NEVER approches 69, so I set it at the realistic 58 that is is in relation to the course designers stats, and the mid pads are a 64 in my opinion also borrowing somewhat from the designer stats.

I'm sorry if you disagree, but I've walked that course enough from ALL the layouts to believe that my par choices are accurate.

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Postby Funky Bobby J » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:08 pm

Keith - just out of curiosity - what hole do you think there is a one stroke difference? Thanks for running the tourney you always put on a first-class spread...
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Postby keith johnson » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:05 am

Hole 16

It's much easier with the new tee pad location, Doug still called it a par 4.
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Postby keith johnson » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:34 am

From TD report which has already been submitted to the PDGA for all the NUMBER CRUNCHERS :shock:


Total Pro Cash Purse Paid Out $2,450 201%

Total Pro Net Entry Fees $1,218

Net Cash Added to Purse $1,232

Pro Player Packs - $ Value $390

Other Pro Prizes $ (CTPs etc) $90

Pro Event Value $2,930 241%




AMATEURS & JUNIORS
Total Am/Jr Net Entry Fees $1,453

Am/Jr Prizes + Trophies - $ Value $1,847

Am/Jr Player Packs - $ Value $690

Other Am/Jr Prizes $ (CTPs etc) $500

Am Event Value $3,037 209%



Total Tour Event Value $5,967
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Postby richardhead » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:05 am

Great tournament Keith, as usual. Can't wait for my next GSSS event.
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Postby jritger » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:02 am

Excellent tourney, thanks for running it!

On a side note...did anyone pick up a no-name white KC-Aviar from the basket toss area??
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Postby keith johnson » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:42 am

Congrats to Georgia's team members Dollar for coming in first place and to Q and Johnathan for cashing also in a very tough field.

Congrats to all the winners, everyone who showed up, Sorrells's BBQ for some awesome food with NO WAITING, and Doug for getting the Port-o-let for the weekend!

Check for $72 is on it's way to Doug for the fees, and Feb 16th will not be spoken of again!

See everyone at Deerlick, where I will be playing!

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Postby kat.disc.golf.her » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:53 am

I had a great time! Can't wait for Deerlick!!
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Postby hyzerfool » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:49 am

Why would I call hole 16 a par 4? That's the short par 3 in the woods and has never been a par 4. Are you thinking of 15 by the creek?

For the pro divisions at Flying Eye Open:

Hole 15 (Par 4): Average score was 4.7, StdDev of 1.2
Hole 16 (Par 3): Average score was 2.9, StdDev of 0.7
Hole 17 (Par 4): Average score was 4.4, StdDev of 1.0
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Postby volsfandl » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:59 am

Great job Keith. See ya at The Lick.
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Postby boodogg » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:39 pm

I've heard Big Will call hole 16 things that aren't allowed in this forum.
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Postby Ridesbrd » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:40 pm

ya,

I would say 15 is a par 4 based on the fact that the only landing zone is short of the trees before the creek starts winding though. Even if you pured one up the fairway your chances of landing in the creek is too high. Also all that ob makes any putt very difficult to go for.......

If that is the one you are talking about keith...
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Postby keith johnson » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:17 pm

hyzerfool wrote:Why would I call hole 16 a par 4? That's the short par 3 in the woods and has never been a par 4. Are you thinking of 15 by the creek?

For the pro divisions at Flying Eye Open:

Hole 15 (Par 4): Average score was 4.7, StdDev of 1.2
Hole 16 (Par 3): Average score was 2.9, StdDev of 0.7
Hole 17 (Par 4): Average score was 4.4, StdDev of 1.0


I KNOW it's not a 4, that's why I called it a 3 in the program for GSSS#1.
YOU called it a four in your program from the Flying Eye Open that I have in my hand right in front of me. :shock:

I know my disc golf courses and pars mister, don't you forget it. :lol:
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Postby Ridesbrd » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:48 pm

I counted:
5 par 3's
11 par 4's
2 par 5's

equals 69 right? not that it really matters anyways......

Great course Awesome event, thanks keith.....
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Postby keith johnson » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:40 pm

Ridesbrd wrote:I counted:
5 par 3's
11 par 4's
2 par 5's

equals 69 right? not that it really matters anyways......

Great course Awesome event, thanks keith.....


That's my fault, as I consider 2 a tweener hole and counted it as a 3 in my head, but left it as a 4 in my program.

I'll change it on PDGA , but next year it's a 68! :lol:
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Postby Wookie » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:44 pm

Number 2 would be one hell of a 3!!
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Postby Ridesbrd » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:56 pm

Wookie wrote:Number 2 would be one hell of a 3!!



Heard matlack crushed one over the trees and into hole 3's fairway up top........ maybe a par 3 for him
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Postby keith johnson » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:03 pm

300 ft drive to the left of the tree, 240 upshot through the gap, drop in 3 every time, or 275-300ft line up the gap on the right then 275 around the corner, 30 ft putt easy 3.
I've 3'd it going both routes, so it definately can be easily done. :lol:

Staying as a 68.

As a great Redan TD once said, it you want to have a better score, shoot better. :shock:
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Postby Sweeney » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:09 pm

If you are counting hole 2 are par 3, explain to me how you are going to birdie it, because I doubt it has ever been dueced.
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Postby keith johnson » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:13 pm

Field ace. Nobody said you had to agree with me. :wink:

What I want to know is how Dave Kenney eagled hole 6 :shock: :lol:

I would imagine the same way.
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Postby the invisible tree » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:07 pm

Par 4s and 5s are just to keep the n00bs from being discouraged. Every hole is a par 3 if you are a super monster crusher or just sufficiently old skool. :roll:
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Postby Sweeney » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:34 pm

I know last year, Q eagled hole 6 with something like a 40 foot putt, and

Keith I realize it really doesn't matter, but if thats the way you are thinking , I think holes 4 and 5 are easier par 4s than hole 2.

Par 4s and 5s are just to keep the n00bs from being discouraged. Every hole is a par 3 if you are a super monster crusher or just sufficiently old skool.


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Postby Funky Bobby J » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:52 pm

I heard that there was this dynamic Advanced Masters player that birdied 2 with a 60' jump putt (that snuck him right under the 80 mark in the first round).

I think that this is a challenge for the next Crucible tournament - Keith plays hole #2 5 times and if he gets more than one 3 he wins a prize of some sort.

I agree that for a right-handed player who can land his drive perfectly going to the right it is a pretty easy 3 or someone that can throw a thumber like Dollar over the top can lead to a pretty easy three, but I bet that the average score is over 4 and probably close to 4.25 or higher,

Par is just a number and it really doesn't matter - just interesting to hear different people's take on the matter. It is a bad-ass course that I wish we could play more often than twice per year. THAT course will help make you a better player - and it really should be the place for where we select our GA USDGC Rep from - if you win a two-day tourney there - you deserve to go....
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Postby hyzerfool » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:41 pm

I think hole 6 has been eagled at least 6 times now...

As for Par 2 being a tweener...

Hole 2 (Par 4) Avg 4.1,StdDev 0.7 (14th hardest)
Hole 4 (Par 4) Avg 4.2 StdDev 0.9 (9th hardest)
Hole 5 (Par 4) Avg 4.0 StdDev 0.8 (17th hardest)

Ahhh, spreadsheets are such fun...

But stats aside, I can't see any way in which hole 2 isn't a par 4. It's a drive, an upshot, and 2 putts. It's never been eagled (2'd) that I've heard of. In fact, only 19 of 118 attempts from the long tees during flying eye open were birdies (3)...

I will so that Lindsay is glad so many people stayed away on Sunday for doubles as I was able to win and finance our trip to the taco stand... god bless low turnouts :-)
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Postby the invisible tree » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:56 pm

Sweeney wrote:I

You really need to play the Crucible, it will prove you wrong.


I have played the Crucible. It's my favorite course bar none. The only one that even comes close is Renaissance.

The bit about all par 3s is sarcasm. I strongly dislike the "everything is par 3" mentality.
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Postby keith johnson » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:10 am

Nobody has a sense of humor anymore, I just threw out #2 so Doug would throw some more stats out there.

Let's see if I say hole 6 is really a par six, Dougs' stats will prove me right.

If I say hole 9 plays at 4.267, Dougs' stats will prove me right.

If I say that hole 12 plays at 2.6794, Dougs' stats will say I'm off by .045.


Just don't ever let me be there again and not play or someone will die...very painfully. :lol:

I don't give a crap what Par is on any course, my goal is to shoot what is my best possible score on the hole.
I usually fail miserably at it but I'm stupid enough to keep trying for that 1 time when I do pull off the great round, and then I'll still complain about it.

Par is relative and only comes into play to cause people to get all excited like this thread has proved.

My opinion on the Crucible is it's the best designed course and use of land of ANY I have seen so far in the state of Georgia.
I tweaked a couple of the tees on the mid and short tees to better use the land in my opinion for those few tees.I wish with all my heart that it one day becomes a permanant fixture.(knowing damn well it probably won't in my lifetime)

My opinion of par for the 1000 rated golfer at the Crucible.
Hole 1 easy 3
Hole 2 should be 3, easy 4
Hole 3 should be 5
Hole 4 easy 3
Hole 5 easy 3
Hole 6 should be 5
Hole 7 should be 2, easy 3
Hole 8 easy 3
Hole 9 should be 3, easy 4
Hole 10 should be 3 easy 4
Hole 11 easy 4
Hole 12 should be 2, easy 3
Hole 13 easy 4
Hole 14 easy 4
Hole 15 easy 4
Hole 16 could be 2 easy 3
Hole 17 easy 4
Hole 18 should be 3 easy 4


Could be 60
Easy 67
Par of 68 or 69 is not unreasonable.

I'll remind you that Phil Arthur shot 59 and 61 in back to back rounds as a 1005 rated golfer there in October (5 months ago) and I shot 67 which was rated 994 for a 953 rated golfer(and I suck).

In my opinion, end of discussion.

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Postby Q Mayben » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:57 pm

[quote="Sweeney"]I know last year, Q eagled hole 6 with something like a 40 foot putt, and

it was a more like a 20 footer
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