2011 Atlanta Open, PDGA SuperTour Event, April 16-17

[Randgolf]

The Atlanta Open is on!

PDGA SUPER TOUR Atier event
Pro/AM Flyboy and JP Mosley

Pros at JP Mosley on Sat - two rounds of 18 Players meeting at 9:30 tee off at 10am
Pros at Flyboy on Sunday - one round of 27 tee time at 10am

AM at Flyboy on Sat 9:30 players meeting 10am tee off
AM at JP Mosley on Sunday 10am tee off

Ams Flyboy Sat 27 and JP Sunday 36 holes. The only two divisions that will not play the same tees all weekend and therefore not be eligible for the USDGC are Rec divisions and Jrs divisions. All other divisions male and female will have a shot. You have to be rated 850 or higher before you become eligible to qualify.

This event will be a USDGC qualifier open to ALL divisions playing the same tee pads the same weekend (special exception made for the AO). See detailed information as to how an Am players has as good if not a better chance of making it to the USDGC than a better player.

USDGC Qualifying Info: http://www.pdga.com/usdgc-qualifiers
Vibram Open Qualifier: http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/rand-eberhard.html
US Amatuer Qualifier

Online registration is up and running. Much more to come sooner than later.

Online registration only: http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore ... 1291847366

[Rubiks]

Why must the AO be on the same weekend as Collegiate Nationals?

[Cha Ching]

IN!

[tlacue]

how can you not have an amm intermediate women catagory? most of us that are playing tounaments right now are interms and not rec anymore. please consider this as i am not advanved and don't wish to play advanced til im qualified for it.

tracy

[grease]

Wow, right out the gate! How about thanks Rand for taking on this monster endeavor? Tracy, will there even be 3 int ladies? If so, he may consider it,if not you'll have to move up to make enough players.

[Funky Bobby J]

Don't forget that some of us want to play Superclass at Flyboy too - make sure we have a division for Superclass Intermediate Masters... I am coming after you Vern!!!

[grease]

I wasn't poking fun at Tracy, Mr. Bobby, just trying to answer her question. Superclass at a Super Tour sounds fun,though. It would be double super thanks for asking!

[VERMIN]

Don't forget that some of us want to play Superclass at Flyboy too - make sure we have a division for Superclass Intermediate Masters... I am coming after you Vern!!!

I feel like your messing with my emotions FBJ

Kind of reminds me of my childhood. Mom would say "Vern do you want to go to school" and I would say "Yes, that would be awesome. I could learn stuff and meet new friends." Then she would say "too bad, now get back on that sewing machine and keep making those clothes". Growing up in a sweatshop was full of letdowns.

[tlacue]

i know of 3 imm ladies right off the bat. not sure if they all want to play. have to check with christy but kari and i are wanting to play.

[grease]

We will need at least 3 players to make a division. That's the tricky part. You can sign up as Int., but if there aren't 3 you would have to move to another division.

BTW, why isn't this thread locked up top? I think Super Tour qualifies it to be so.

[tlacue]

we can't sign up as interm yet because it's not an option on the list. that's what i'm asking for. we'll be happy to move up if need be.

[grease]

I failed to mention that I will be the TD for the AM side of the AO this year, so I can answer any AM questions. Tracy, sign up as ADV woman or Int men and put in the special comments section that you would like to play Int woman. Have anyone else that would like to play Int woman do the same. Once again, if enough Int ladies sign up to make the division requirements, then that will happen.

[grease]

I failed to mention that I will be the TD for the AM side of the AO this year, so I can answer any AM questions. Tracy, sign up as ADV woman or Int men and put in the special comments section that you would like to play Int woman. Have anyone else that would like to play Int woman do the same. Once again, if enough Int ladies sign up to make the division requirements, then that will happen.

Let me paraphrase that: I can answer all AM questions except Vern's.

BTW, anyone is welcomed to play with Superclass discs,but will have to adhere to normal par. Best of luck and thanks for coming!

[grease]

To answer Chris' question about the weekend chosen for the AO: Super Tour and NT events take months of scheduling from the PDGA to coordinate to insure they do not conflict with each other. Unfortunately, when the schedule is being raked over, non-PDGA events do not show up on the radar. We do not want to seem like the big Goliath trying to crush smaller(but just as important) events.

[MonteMike]

Is this touney all ready filled?

[Steve C]

AO rocks!

Hole sponsorships available?

- Steve

[grease]

Yes. We are working on sponsor packages, but are looking for $100 hole sponsorships and would like to get all 36 holes sponsored. Three are already spoken for without hitting the major sponsors yet, so the goal is looking reachable. Anyone interested can shoot me a pm.

[Dr. Manhattan]

When will the PDGA site be updated with a current registered players list?

[VERMIN]

Pro/AM Flyboy and JP Mosley

Pros at JP Mosley on Sat - two rounds of 18
Pros at Flyboy on Sunday - one round of 27

Ams Flyboy Sat 27 and JP Sunday 36 holes.

Any idea on what the awards ceremony schedule / location(s) may be like. I am not asking for specifics; just wondering if there will be one location for AMS and pros. The venues are a bit spread out.

[JPZ]

How cool...A-tier AO to be held at Flyboy and JP MOSELEY DGC

Playing this would be fun, but not as much fun as following the 12x champ and crew around at my home course(JPM).


Also guys and girls, keep your homepage set to http://www.discgolfatlanta.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3123
for upcoming work days...THX

on another note.....
.....Kevin's (McCoy) course record of 49 could be in jepordy come mid april.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
which sucks because i was only 7 strokes from reaching it

[Cha Ching]

WEAK SAUCE:

You would rather watch somebody play a tourney, than play in it yourself

[JPZ]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
HAHAHA Bro I'm married!!! Of course i do it ..............myself mostly joking

...
You would rather watch somebody play a tourney, than play in it yourself

Not at all bro! I'd like to hopefully see the best players in the world, play at my favorite course.JPM

I would love to play this tournament. But, being i'm not current (PDGA) It's a bit pricey for me right now...... plus if I did play (adv. am) what would I do w/ all of that plastic I'd win.....Grease almost missed dinner, it took me so long to choose all that un-needed plastic I won after the last tournament
I'm not good enough ,yet to play pro successfully!
So, for now I will sponser if I can and hopefully get to follow the best entered pro's around my home course on SAT.

[JPZ]

AND I WAS EVEN GONNA OFFER TO CADDY FOR YOU ON SUNDAY MARK!

for a small fee-10%

[grease]

Vern,
With the fields so spread out payout WILL be at different locations. Am will be at Moseley, and Pro will be at Flyboy. This year for the AM side, I am stepping down from payout to allow Wes Campbell(Discman DGS) and Disc Caddie(Bob Pressley) to handle all of your plastic needs. BTW, JPZ I even gave you daddy juice to try to speed you up, then you finally picked out 10 150 class Leopards after an hour!

[Bootsie]

on a more serious note: why wasnt this thing scheduled the weekend after on the 23-24 of april. seems to me that the flow of tourneys in georgia would have been alot better. being that theres an A-tier the following weekend in augusta on the 30th-may 1 and a womens only tourney the weekend after thats back at flyboy. Also, not to mention that theres a ton of tourneys the weekend that the Atl open is scheduled on currently thats going to take away from what the magnitude of this tourney could be. I dont think touring pros consider this though where to stay and what tourneys that are worth traveling to that are lined up in order that have decent payouts. being sarcastic. the bigger the tourney the more spectators. The only way this sport is going to take off is if other people other then disc golfers actually pay attention to it. hence marketing and major cooperations that invest money into it casue theres a profit to be made. no profit coming from only golfers. disc golfers generally dont have money. maybe we could get some fast food restuarants to sponser being that we spend alot of our money there.

[millayday]

For those of you who don't know, Flyboy has been shut down temporarily while some issues with the neighborhood residents are being worked out. Check the thread for all details

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=3140

[Randgolf]

I am working hard on doing what it takes to run an event. If I leave your question unanswered, maybe someone else will step up and help get you an answer. Please know that, inspite of my last response, I do care about your questions. My job and family leave limited time for other things these days. With that said, we/I really need your help with hole sponsorships. The plan is to provide each sponsor with a Patigonia back pack with computer sleve and Atlanta Open logo and a tournament stamped golf disc. These are high end back packs and are well worth your sponsorship money. I want to get our supporters something worth their while. Please help out if you can. We need 45 sponsors in order to cover fees and get the added money we need to keep the tournament going where it needs to.

2011 Atlanta Open Sponsorship Options

Sponsorship levels:

$500
1. Company name and logo printed in tournament program.
2. Company name and logo on www.theatlopen.com.
3. Company logo on the tournament t-shirt.
4. Company promoted on live internet coverage of the AO. Pre-recorded/formatted 30 second commercial played live during Saturday and Sunday coverage, as well as included during the DVD.
5. Company name and logo listed on a tee sign.
6. Free “high end” luggage bag with the AO logo.

$250
1. Company name and logo printed in tournament program.
2. Company name and logo on www.theatlopen.com
3. Company logo on tournament t-shirt.
4. Company promoted during the live internet coverage of the AO.
5. Company name and logo listed on a tee sign.
6. Free “high end” luggage bag with the AO logo.

$100 (Hole Sponsor)
1. Company name and logo printed in tournament program.
2. Company name and logo on www.theatlopen.com
3. Company name and logo listed on a tee sign.
4. Free “high end” luggage bag with the AO logo.

Thanks to all of you guys who help make disc golf what it is in Georgia.

[keith johnson]

on a more serious note: why wasnt this thing scheduled the weekend after on the 23-24 of april. seems to me that the flow of tourneys in georgia would have been alot better. being that theres an A-tier the following weekend in augusta on the 30th-may 1 and a womens only tourney the weekend after thats back at flyboy. Also, not to mention that theres a ton of tourneys the weekend that the Atl open is scheduled on currently thats going to take away from what the magnitude of this tourney could be.

Easter Weekend

[Bootsie]

keith didnt know it was easter weekend. dont really pay attention to that holiday until it comes around last time i actually knew when it was more then a month in advance i was 7. even though to me it doesnt make sense breaking up the AO and the Hall of Fame.

[Randgolf]

HOLE SPONSORS $100

JP MOSLEY
1 ReMax
2 Wes Campbell Disc Man
3 Gwinnett Community Church
4 Wade Selph
5 Primo Plastic
6 Future World Champion Lorelei Johnson #13697
7 Chick-fil-a
8 Tom Collins
9 Disc Caddie
10 Provinos
11 Dalton Disc Man
12 Gerrit Van Vranken
13 Daniel May
14 Michale Burton*
15 Wes Campbell Disc Man
16 John Matlack*
17 Atlanta Flying Disc Club - http://www.afdc.com
18 PGA Tour Superstore

FLYBOY
1 ReMax
2 Imran and Jaimee
3 FlyBoy Aviation
4 Gerrit Van Vranken
5 PGA Tour Superstore
6 Future World Champion Lorelei Johnson #13697
7 PlayitAgain Sports Roswell
8 Paul Trent
9 Wookie*
10 Dan Moore
11 Perma-Fix Environmental Services
12 Gwinnet Community Church
13 Brad Orman Construction
14 Provinos
15 Joshua Holloway
16 Bill Thorton
17 PlayitAgain Sports Fayettville
18 Shoe Shuer
19 Steve and Cheryl Cappelli*
20 Young Life
21 Jay Voss*
22 Randy Tedder
23 Messy Hulen*
24 Jeff Gomez*
25 Bill Thorton
26 Steve and Cheryl Cappeli*
27 In Memory of Drew Eberhard #18500
Thanks to all the sponsors for helping us make "it" happen!

Make check to: Atlanta Open Disc Golf LLC
2146 Caneridge Dr SW
Marietta, GA 30064

[dandaman]

Rand as soon as I'm able you have me as a sponsor. JPM black 13 please.

On another note- I need you to call me to finalize the hole layouts for JPM. I'm walking the course today to make the maps...

[Bhuff]

Is there option to mail in the entry fee? Scrolled through and didn't see anything. Online registration go up from last year?

[Randgolf]

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/62748

Pre-registered players have been posted. Please don't wait around to sign up. This event will fill.

AM LIMITED TO 72 players

Online registration only. This year I went to the PDGA online sign up. Their fee is higher than what Solstice use to charge.

[grease]

Get those entries in! This will fill up easily and quickly!

[Randgolf]

I need help with hole sponsors. PLEASE help out if you can. Each $100 hole sponsor gets a Columbia back pack with computer sleeve and AO embroidery ($85 retail), tournament tshirt, plus name on tsign.

You get your money worth and help the tournament become what it is. Help S.O.S I am late in the game trying to get things going, yall hep me pull this off.

[Randgolf]

http://www.columbia.com/Manifest%E2%84% ... lt,pd.html

Hole Sponsors will get this with Atlanta Open embroidered

[Randgolf]

There will be no final 9.

Format will be 36 holes at JP Mosley and 27 holes at Flyboy.

[Randgolf]

http://www.pdga.com/2011-usdgc-qualifiers-set

The Atlanta Open is one of only 8 qualifiers nation wide. Sign up today to reserve your spot and have a chance to make it to the United States Disc Golf Championship. All competitors rated 850 or higher have a shot at qualifying. Read the link above for details.

[grease]

This year's disc is going to be sweet and simple. Make sure to get a few when they arrive to help support this event as well as a world class TD.

[Randgolf]

I need 11 more hole sponsors. PLease step up and help me pull the 2011 Atlanta Open off. Great things are in the making for all of the players and sponsors. Help a hommie out! Your support will hel me cover live internet coverage of the event, professionaly produced dvd, great players packs, payout, players party, and much more.

Put your $100 into the event and walk away with a pretty solid return. The bach packs are going to be nice. Get yours now. Sponsorship value = $100. Back pack, tournament shirt, and tee sign.


9 holes left to sponsor

[Wookie]

Rand, you can put me down for one. I can get you the artwork for the t-sign whenever you need it.

[dandaman]

Question: When is the last time you played Flyboy?

Answer: Been a while, but at least I know I will be able to play it in April when the Atlanta Open is held.

Question: Why haven't you signed up yet?

Answer: ????

[Moose]

I will be bringing 2 kegs of Sweetwater to Flyboy. They were very generous to help us out again this year in sponsoring our "player party/fly mart". Obviously this will not be enough for the whole weekend so you might want to bring some of your own to Flyboy. If you do bring beer try to bring cans. Bottles are more cumbersome and could endanger a plane taking off or landing if broken on the runway. We should all have the true camper attitude when it comes to Flyboy. PACK IT IN....PACK IT OUT. Thanks for your help in keeping this venue alive and in the good graces of the community. Thanks for your understanding on this matter. I will also be cooking food for nominal cost on Saturday and Sunday at Flyboy.

[grease]

When is the player party/fly mart? Did I miss that info somewhere? I'll bring some stash.

[Rubiks]

I will be bringing 2 kegs of Sweetwater to Flyboy. They were very generous to help us out again this year in sponsoring our "player party/fly mart". Obviously this will not be enough for the whole weekend so you might want to bring some of your own to Flyboy. If you do bring beer try to bring cans. Bottles are more cumbersome and could endanger a plane taking off or landing if broken on the runway. We should all have the true camper attitude when it comes to Flyboy. PACK IT IN....PACK IT OUT. Thanks for your help in keeping this venue alive and in the good graces of the community. Thanks for your understanding on this matter. I will also be cooking food for nominal cost on Saturday and Sunday at Flyboy.

Are there really people who still don't get this? There shouldn't be any broken bottles at all, and trash shouldn't be on the runway period.

[grease]

Chris, it's near impossible to curb everyone's stupidity.

[grease]

Sign up everybody. Let's fill this early and make the td's job easy.

[Moose]

The party is always wherever you are grease and the fly mart is in the back of your truck. Seriously, we aren't going to deal with alkeehall at JP at all so both kegs are going to Flyboy. We will probably crack one for the AM's late Friday and then another on Saturday night when the pro's start filtering in. When they are gone then they are gone. I need someone who has a TAP. PM me if anyone can handle this for me. Since we don't really have a host hotel and a place where all pro's and AM's will be at the same time the flymart will be wherever and whenever Wes and Bob wants to sell stuff. My guess would be that Flyboy would be the best place to set up. I can even run a table at flyboy for Bob and Wes at Flyboy since they will be tied up at JP doing payout on Sunday.

[Bhuff]

I BELIEVE i have a tap but will have to double check to make sure it hasen't walked off.

[billnchristy]

^Is this guy some kind of mega spam bot?

Did somebody make an Evil bizarro Watson already?

[grease]

Yes, spam. He's just copying parts of previous posts. Moderator?

[$Dollar$]

^Is this guy some kind of mega spam bot?

Did somebody make an Evil bizarro Watson already?

lol, Strange

[Randgolf]

Pros sign up please, pros sponsor a hole please...

Lots of action on the line. These two courses are going to challenge the game and your endurance.

I need 11 more hole sponsors help me sell the courses out.

[Asmith2420]

Hey can someone tell me how long of a drive it is between these two courses? It looks like an hour or so maybe. But hell lets face it FLYBOY would be worth it and I have heard nothing but good things about JP. I'm just trying to figue out what the schedule would be and where to stay that would be a good inbetween point. ( if you can help with that also it would be nice ) Thanks guys

[mrpbody33]

Well since both courses are either near or surrounding grass runways maybe someone needs to explore the option of flights between the two locations.

[jritger]

probably like 1 hr & 15 min. you'd want to stay @ flyboy, there is a keg and camping

[Redan Randy]

Well since both courses are either near or surrounding grass runways maybe someone needs to explore the option of flights between the two locations.

OPTIONS!!

[Asmith2420]

NICE>> Camping and kegs sounds like a plan. Thanks for the time on the drive!

[grease]

The tourney discs are in and are sweet! I will have some available this weekend at the Monty as well as the Disc Cadidie event at Sequoyah. Get them while you can. They will go fast!

[Slammer]

what is the deal with camping @ Flyboy?

[grease]

Here's what we got in:
Glo CFR Champion Leopard-$20
Glo CFR Champion Wraith-$20
Glo Champion Gazelle-$20
CFR Champion Make-$20
Champion Destroyer(some real flat tops)-$15
KC Roc-$12
Jk Aviar-$12
Pro Katana-$12
R-Pro XD-$12
DX Aviar Driver-$10
DX Aviar(super grippy)-$10
DX Roc-$10

Bob at Disc Cadidie has some of each at his store and I will be carrying some around to sell.

[BP]

The discs are already in their own rack and ready for sale...

Support Rand and the A.O.

This tournament is worth the purchase of a disc with a very simple yet very cool design this year!

[Randgolf]

Thanks Bob and Greg. I appreciate the help.

I have placed several disc orders with Innova over the years and I have to say that these discs are the best quality plastic I have seen. HEad over to Disc Caddie to pick some up.

Still need 9 more holes sponsors. Please help out if possible.

[provino]

Rand, Provino's Italian Restaurant at 2911 Chapel Hill road in Douglasville has committed to sponsoring a hole at the Flyboy.

[grease]

See sponsorship list above. You are on hole 14 at Flyboy. Thank you for your sponsorship and I'm looking forward to checking out Provino's soon.

[provino]

Yep...got that. I will sponsor another hole (two total) leaving only 8 holes left.

[Splash_4]

Only 7 left. Gwinnett Community Church is sponsoring a second hole. check is on it's way.

[Moose]

Grip equipment is now a sponsor. We will have a bag for raffle and probably one to the winner of AM.

http://www.grip-eq.com/

[Cyoda44]

probably like 1 hr & 15 min. you'd want to stay @ flyboy, there is a keg and camping

Where can I find the information on camping and the B & B? Thanks in advance!

[BP]

Silent Auction will bring more $ than a raffle!

Grip equipment is now a sponsor. We will have a bag for raffle and probably one to the winner of AM.

http://www.grip-eq.com/

[grease]

Folks, please sign up for this action! Rand has put this show on for many years, and this one is sure to be the stand out! Get in before it's too late.

[Moose]

Whatever you think is best Grease. I think Rand is in agreement. We are also going to have the RE/MAX hot air Balloon at Flyboy on Sunday behind the basket on 3 to get overhead video of one of the prettiest holes in all the land.

[grease]

Not sure what you're taking about, but the AM player's packs are going to be sick. Sign up now and get a free Unicorn. We just ran out of Chupacabrae. That's what you get for waiting so long! The Chupacabrae were sweet. Now you'll have to settle for a crappy Unicorn. Stupid!!!!!

[Moose]

Any news on the tap for a keg (bhuff)...I need someone who can get me a tap for a regular keg before may 14th. Please email me if you have one and can get it to me or bring it on Friday April 15th to Flyboy.

email tonym@remax.net

[mr.disc]

go to a likra store...

[Bhuff]

Any news on the tap for a keg (bhuff)...I need someone who can get me a tap for a regular keg before may 14th. Please email me if you have one and can get it to me or bring it on Friday April 15th to Flyboy.

email tonym@remax.net

Oh yes. I'll get in touch with my brother now to make sure it still works. And I will be at flyboy the 15th.

Do I need to have approval or anything so that I can camp out at flyboy that Friday? anyone?

[richardhead]

go to a likra store...

Do what your daddy tells you and go to the likra store.......regg neck!!

[Cyoda44]

Any idea when will the players names that have signed up be posted / updated?

[Redan Randy]

go to a likra store...

Do what your daddy tells you and go to the likra store.......regg neck!!

He's goin, he's goin!!

[Steve C]

How we doin' Rand? All the holes gone yet?

Do I need to come out of retirement and fight Kelly for the 70 and over payout?

- Steve

[grease]

Fundraiser discs are moving quick! Get them while you can! I should have some at Sidelines tomorrow or if you can't make it, shoot me a pm and we can make arrangements.

[DaltonDiscMan]

Will it be better to stay off of 20 or 75? Which exit #? Just trying to figure out where to stay. Thanks in advance for the help.

[dandaman]

If you want a Hotel that is in the middle of the courses anything near the Airport would be your best bet. If you are a AM player I might suggest any of the hotels near Stockbridge (Hilton, Red Roof, Days Inn) Exit 228 off of I-75 (4 miles from JPM) That way after Flyboy you will be super close for the next day's action.

[IMPRESARIO]

Here's what we got in:
Glo CFR Champion Leopard-$20
Glo CFR Champion Wraith-$20
Glo Champion Gazelle-$20
CFR Champion Make-$20
Champion Destroyer(some real flat tops)-$15
KC Roc-$12
Jk Aviar-$12
Pro Katana-$12
R-Pro XD-$12
DX Aviar Driver-$10
DX Aviar(super grippy)-$10
DX Roc-$10

Bob at Disc Cadidie has some of each at his store and I will be carrying some around to sell.

Grease, please bring some of these with you to Macon for the Moonlight Classic, I'll buy one of the CFR's and a few others may want one as well.

[Randgolf]

Hey friends. Sorry I have been out of order lately, running a tournament is like adding a job. Thanks a million for those who have preregistered and sponsored the tournament. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help.

I still need to seel 7 more hole sponsorships. PLEASE help me find new sponsors that might be willing to help out. We have some seriously nice discs. Get yours at Disc Caddie off the Marietta square or from G-reg Campbell.

All of the preregistered players have been uploaded to the PDGA webiste. As of today we are one month away from the Atlanta Open. There are only 15 spots left until the AM side is FULL. SIgn up today to make sure you get in. First come first serve.


PROS! You know who you are. PLEASE go ahead and register. Some of the big dogs are holding out because it looks like we dont even have an event down here. Weak field, in terms of numbers, this far out only makes things look worse than they are. PLEASE help the event by signing up and recruiting others to sign up as well.

Thanks again to the AMS you guys are always better than the pros

PLEASE send checks to:

Atlanta Open Disc Golf LLC
2146 Caneridge Dr SW
Marietta, GA 30064

[Bhuff]

Thanks again to the AMS you guys are always better than the pros

Well I guess thats something to be proud of...I was thinking it was disc golf I was better than them at

[Dr. Manhattan]

Are the walkways at mosely going to be OB? If they are can they be flagged so you can see them from the tee pad?

[Randgolf]

SOLD OUT OF HOLE Sponsors! Huge thanks to everyone who has come behind the Atlanta Open to fill the 45 hole sponsorships!

Also, camping is an option at Flyboy for $10. The money will be paid to Kelly to go to the course.

Only 10 spots left until Am is FULL

[grease]

I will have the AO discs out at White Oak Sat. We're down to less than half, so once they're gone, see ya! These will be cash and carry, so don't try to save one then give me a voucher for it! Trust me, they are worth your hard earned money and will pay back tenfold!

[grease]

I'm counting only 11 AM spots left! Proud of me? If you want a spot, get your entry in ASAP! We've been getting calls with "hold me a spot, check is in the mail", but first received gets the spots. Thanks for signing up early! The smart ones don't have to deal with the stress of getting in at the last minute.

[IMPRESARIO]

Is there an upcoming date that we cam play Flyboy in prep for the Open?

[grease]

Is there an upcoming date that we cam play Flyboy in prep for the Open?

Flyboy will be open for play all day Friday (4-15) before the tournament. Rand-um draw doubles will be at 3:00 p.m. for $10. Unfortunately, since it's private property and some rumps acted up out there, groups must now be escorted thus limiting the play times.

On another note, the Rec field will be playing the short tees at Moseley, and there will be a short course set up Friday morning for Recs at Flyboy.

[arrdee33]

This short layout at flyboy, is it for practice, or is there some totally new "short" layout for the tourny play?

[dandaman]

On another note, the Intermediate and Rec fields will be playing the short tees at Moseley, and there will be a short course set up Friday morning for these fields at Flyboy.

Wait a minute. I thought only the Rec and Juniors would play the short tees. That way Intermediates scores could qualify for the USDGC...because then they would play the same course as everyone else.

I might have to move up allthough I'd prefer to play with people at my own skill level. I can't speak for Flyboy but I prefer Moseley baring its teeth.

[grease]

You are correct Daniel my brother. My post has been edited. The rec division is the only AM division that does not have a chance to qualify for the USDGC. If you are in the rec division and would like to qualify, you will have to move up.

[grease]

This short layout at flyboy, is it for practice, or is there some totally new "short" layout for the tourny play?

I don't understand this question.

Play at Flyboy Friday prior to the tournament is limited to people signed up for the AO only and not a free for all. We have to keep it somewhat confined to tournament players only.

[Woodrow]

Play at Flyboy Friday prior to the tournament is limited to people signed up for the AO only........somewhat confined to tournament players only.

So, which is it?

[grease]

People playing the Atlanta Open tournament.

[grease]

Last count I saw showed only 5 am spots left Probably filled by now. Weak pro show. Only 29 spots filled? Come on folks! Are Kenny and Dave scaring you? Much added cash on the line and this kind of low show? Oh well, those that make it will reap the benefits.

[keith johnson]

Last count I saw showed only 5 am spots left Probably filled by now. Weak pro show. Only 29 spots filled? Come on folks! Are Kenny and Dave scaring you? Much added cash on the line and this kind of low show? Oh well, those that make it will reap the benefits.

There's been 5 am spots left since FRIDAY!

You gotta say it the right way Greg -

ONLY 5 AM spots left for the BEST A-TIER Event in Georgia!

Signup here: http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore ... 1291847366

Can't help you with pros though - it seems the more added money you advertise, the less pros show up.
I had as many Pro Open Men, Women and Masters at White Oak (27) as there is for the A/O.

[dandaman]

Also this a USDGC qualfier. You don't have to beat Kenny or Dave to take a spot for this year's USDGC. With the handicapping system just about anyone who has a player rating could qualify for one of the biggest touranments of the year.

Even if the AM side was filled AM's could play in a higher division AND still take a spot from one of the PRO's. <--You don't even have to beat them score wise. If the AM side had filled early I would have played PRO just for the chance to play in the USDGC.

The biggest tournament this year and I don't even see some of the top PRO's in the area haven't signed up already. And you get to play Flyboy too! That alone should be worth the price of admission. I've definetly seen a lack of Moseleyites on the registration list. How about instead of following the top pro's around for two days you play with them instead?

[arrdee33]

This short layout at flyboy, is it for practice, or is there some totally new "short" layout for the tourny play?

I don't understand this question.

Play at Flyboy Friday prior to the tournament is limited to people signed up for the AO only and not a free for all. We have to keep it somewhat confined to tournament players only.

Now that you clarified with the editing, it makes sense, at first I was reading it as if there was some sort of "new" "short" layout we would be playing during the tourny (something other than most of the original holes), that which will be set up Friday for practice. But I see now there will be a confined practice area for those in the tourny.

It was just an understood mis-understanding of what I thought I understood as something I didn't understand thanks for clarifying.

On a side note, I think the tourny has lost alot of open players to the Glass Blown which is played the same dates, I cant speak for the locals that havn't signed up, but a lot of the traveling pros may have commited to it first

[Randgolf]

2 spots remain until AM is FULL

[Here4Beer]

Rand,

Is Moze #11 going to play as an island hole in the AO? Saw the rock circle around the basket but no mention of it that I could find anywhere on the course guides.

DanO

[grease]

Yes

[dandaman]

Rand,

Is Moze #11 going to play as an island hole in the AO? Saw the rock circle around the basket but no mention of it that I could find anywhere on the course guides.

DanO

Hole #11 will play as an island green. For shots that do not land in the island or come to rest on the rocks there will be a 1 stroke penalty AND your next shot will be played from the drop zone. The drop zone is on the walking path by the creek. I believe to reach the green from the drop zone it is about 80ft. (I will measure Friday).

If this wasn't a USDGC qualifier, (and I was the TD) I'd make it so that the PRO's had to re-tee till they had a shot come into bounds. Like hole#17 at the USDGC.

I will be posting the Moseley Course guide with all OB's, mando's, et cetera soon.

Daniel

[dandaman]

I've got two local Pro's as my dark horses to win this event. I won't mention them publicly as not to put the chicken claw crawl on them, but if they win, I'll say: I told you so!

BTW hate to point out a fellow bagger, but a 910 rated player does not need to be playing Rec. Love you Phillip! Move up with your other fellow baggers for the chance to qualify for the USDGC!

[grease]

I've got two local Pro's as my dark horses to win this event. I won't mention them publicly as not to put the chicken claw crawl on them, but if they win, I'll say: I told you so!

How can you say I told you so if you don't tell us?

[Here4Beer]

I've got two local Pro's as my dark horses to win this event. I won't mention them publicly as not to put the chicken claw crawl on them, but if they win, I'll say: I told you so!
BTW hate to point out a fellow bagger, but a 910 rated player does not need to be playing Rec. Love you Phillip! Move up with your other fellow baggers for the chance to qualify for the USDGC!

Hmmmm. Okay I'll bite. Gimme KC and Feldberg against your two locals. (for a pitcher of Beer and a Pizza?)

Also, in fairness to Phil, until Monday (when PDGA ratings came out 1 day early), he didn't have a rating.

[dandaman]

How can you say I told you so if you don't tell us?

It's kind of like double secret probation.

[Dr. Manhattan]

Is flyboy going to be tee times or shotgun start?

[grease]

It will be shotgun start. I'll try to have someone towards the middle of the course to help relay the start.

[JPZ]

How about instead of following the top pro's around for two days you play with them instead?

Why? is there something wrong w/ watching a top pro play ones home course?
Obviously you get to see that all the time , eh?
Are you sponsoring or are you still blowing leaves?

[Bomber]

Hey Rand, When is the website gonna come up? Im excited for this event. Cant even wait!!!

[Bhuff]

I'll bring the Tap I have on Friday, not positive that it works, might need new o-rings. But don't have a keg to test it on, so I wouldn't rely on it.

[Randgolf]

The website wasn't up and ready in time or me to factor it into the budget. It will not be up at this point.

There are still a few spots open in the Am field. If you were considering playing you need to sign up asap.

[BP]

I'm sure I can help with that. I'll be sure to bring the air horn to confirm that all hear!

It will be shotgun start. I'll try to have someone towards the middle of the course to help relay the start.

[TomahawkChopper]

Since the Pros had such a weak turn out can more AMS fill those positions?

[grease]

No. The field is split evenly and if the pro side doesn't fill up, then so be it. The TD can't assume that the pro field will not fill up and allow am's to take those spots. It is what it is and if you waited this long to sign up, your dilemma is your own.

[keith johnson]

Where did my posts go? - They broke no message board rules or had any negative or inflammatory things in them.

[Woodrow]

Nothing in the moderator log....hmmmm..sure you posted them?

[dandaman]

Where did my posts go? - They broke no message board rules or had any negative or inflammatory things in them.

So easy a...

Oh wait, nevermind.

[dandaman]

How about instead of following the top pro's around for two days you play with them instead?

1.) Why? is there something wrong w/ watching a top pro play ones home course?
2.) Obviously you get to see that all the time , eh?
3.) Are you sponsoring or are you still blowing leaves?

1.) Nothing wrong with watching great players play your home course. But I believe its even better when you learn watching great players while also playing ar ound of golf with them. I've played a couple of events in the Open field and I must say that I learned a great deal by playing and watching pro's that I would not have learned or experienced by playing in a lower level. So the experience and value gained is based solely on the person enjoying it.

2.) I've seen many top pro's play at Moseley including: McCoy, Dollar, Vach, and Hammock. Throw in our local Pro's: Josh and Nate and there's not much that I could imagine happening that I haven't already seen.

3.) Yes I am sponsoring, and no I am not blowing leaves. They fairways have been made pretty by the likes of lesser known (but by no means less important) golfers than ourselves.

[Wookie]

The Ams can sign up as Pros and play on that side correct? Just cost a little more right?

[DaltonDiscMan]

I've got two local Pro's as my dark horses to win this event. I won't mention them publicly as not to put the chicken claw crawl on them, but if they win, I'll say: I told you so!

BTW hate to point out a fellow bagger, but a 910 rated player does not need to be playing Rec. Love you Phillip! Move up with your other fellow baggers for the chance to qualify for the USDGC!

Isn't rec. capped at 900?

[Henderson]

Yes, it is.

[Moose]

Bhuf....don't worry about bringing the tap....I am going to get one from the liquor store.

[Moose]

Food at Flyboy for the AO....
I am going to be at Flyboy cooking food on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. We will have BBQ sandwiches, quarter pound all beef hotdogs with all the fixings, large cheeseburgers and maybe some BBQ chicken....I am also debating doing breakfast sammy's on Sat and Sun with bacon, egg and cheese and Sausage, egg and Cheese if there is a demand. Please email me if you are planning on utilizing the food on the weekend. tonymoose@att.net . There will be a charge for food so that we can give the best payout possible for the tourny. I will also have waters and gatorade/powerades on ice at a fair cost. I will probably take some kind of loose ordering in the mornings for after the round (or as you come by the hanger during your round) to get an idea of what needs to be cooked each day. I will probably also be cooking the same fare at night for those that are camping and/or don't want to drive 20 minutes to get fast food or don't want to mess with bringing your own supplies. We will probably crack a keg of sweetwater on Friday night and another on Sat night or when the first runs out. It is fine if you bring your own beer but please don't bring bottles. If some of the people with trucks can bring a couple large trash bags each then we can pack out what trash we accumulate during the weekend so Kelly dosn't have to deal with a literal ton of trash after the weekend.

responses to my email that I like.

"yeah Moose.....I am coming in on Friday night and will probably want some grub at night and definately a breakfast sammy and lunch on Saturday."

that I don't like

"I don't know regg.....not sure when Im coming.....how much is everything?" Is Mr.Disc helping? Is there a yak n pak special? Release the krackin!!

[grease]

The Ams can sign up as Pros and play on that side correct? Just cost a little more right?

You are correct. We will not be opening spots that aren't sold out on the Pro side to be filled by Ams. The Am side is full and anyone wishing to play at this point will have to sign up as Pro.

[i2rt]

Playing ADV...How?????

http://www.pdga.com/player_ratings_deta ... 2010/43157

[keith johnson]

Playing ADV...How?????

http://www.pdga.com/player_ratings_deta ... 2010/43157

There is no cap for AM Ratings.

[keith johnson]

Nothing in the moderator log....hmmmm..sure you posted them?

Yes I know they were posted and I quoted Greg, like I quoted you - I have 2 missing and Greg has 1 missing all having to do with the sellout of the 5 spots on the Am side and me saying that making it large and in color that the am side filled in 24 hours when it hadn't sold the 5 spots in the previous 5 days. I made it around 7-8AM THURS morning before heading to Texas.
I don't care what the logs say - the posts WERE on line when I left.

[i2rt]

Playing ADV...How?????

http://www.pdga.com/player_ratings_deta ... 2010/43157

There is no cap for AM Ratings.

Please explain.
He has been rated 973 since 22-Jun-2010.
Has there been a ratings/division rules change?
I know he doesn't have to take cash but he has to play his rating/division.
You only get to play below your rating/division in the year that your rating pushes into the new division.

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Pla ... onGrid.pdf

[Woodrow]

...... the posts WERE on line when I left.

APRIL FOOLS!!!

[Wookie]

Any (required for 935+)

The quoted above is from the Ratings Requirements under the Adv. Am section. If you are above 935 then you can't play Int. but you can play Adv. as long as you don't take money. The ratings for Pro's are just "Suggestions" if you look at the column heading for ratings.

[$Dollar$]

better question- Why would someone rated that high want to play AM anyway? I'll stick with my theory that Am baggers must eat plastic.

[Wookie]

You just scare us dollar with all the constant yelling about moving up. Maybe you should try a different approach.

[dandaman]

better question- Why would someone rated that high want to play AM anyway? I'll stick with my theory that Am baggers must eat plastic.

I can confirm that I am hungry...

[Randgolf]

It looks like the "bagger" has only played one PDGA tournament. He is a good player, but one event doesn't really give the most accurate rating. Lets see how he does in this year's AO.

On another note, if you sponsored a hole thank you so much for helping out! I would like to get some of the hole sponsor stuff to those of you that paid. If you verbally commited to a hole (you will see an * by your name listed above) PLEASE see to it that I get your money ASAP. You guys are gonna be very happy with the back packs. They are well worth the money and will last a long time.

Please sign up if you play Pro! AM is FULL!

[$Dollar$]

Is JP Mosley set up in the correct AO positions?

[dandaman]

Is JP Mosley set up in the correct AO positions?

Yes all pins are in their correct setting. We're using all golds except 13 which we will be playing from black.

[scheibe]

Playing ADV...How?????

http://www.pdga.com/player_ratings_deta ... 2010/43157

There is no cap for AM Ratings.

Please explain.
He has been rated 973 since 22-Jun-2010.
Has there been a ratings/division rules change?
I know he doesn't have to take cash but he has to play his rating/division.
You only get to play below your rating/division in the year that your rating pushes into the new division.

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Pla ... onGrid.pdf

No offense (and full biased disclosure: Mark is my roommate), but we've both only played one tournament before and it was the AO last year. We don't play a ton of golf and this being only our second tournament I think it's ok we're playing advanced.

[arrdee33]

The website wasn't up and ready in time or me to factor it into the budget. It will not be up at this point.

There are still a few spots open in the Am field. If you were considering playing you need to sign up asap.

Without an official website, where might we find info on tee times, check-in, players party?
a schedule in other words.

Thanks, now that BG ams is over, I'm shifting all my excitement to the AO

[mrpbody33]

Without an official website, where might we find info on tee times, check-in, players party?
a schedule in other words.

Fantastic question. I would recommend the use of social media since the website isn't going to be utilized.

[Wookie]

I think you might have stumbled onto your answer since you are reading the message on the message board that is saying the website won't be used this year.

[Randgolf]

Great idea, use this website message board and Twitter. BY the time my webguy showed his face we already had a full Am field and all of the hole sponsors were sold. I wanted to use the website bad, but it wasn't an option two months ago when I made a valid effort. Things happen, no worries. I would love to get the AO site back to what it was in past years, but at this point why not use this message board and Twitter? Webguy, you know who you are, thanks for all of your help in the past. I am in no way undermining your support and or talent. Bad timing was the reason things didn't move forward. Thanks for your help, real talk.

AM is officially FULL.

Get ready for the AO! Any time you pro players wanna sign up feel free.

[Woodrow]

Someone say free?

[heartman]

Have tee times been established yet? I'm coming to Moseley on the Saturday and was curious what the schedule was looking like ...

[Randgolf]

Shotgun start at 10 am at Mosley on Sat. Pros play at Mosley on Sat two rounds of 18. Players meeting at 9:15am.

Am wait list

1. Ralph Pitt INT
2. Brett Allen #35943 INT
3. Andy Kloiber INT or ADV

[heartman]

Sweet, thanks. I was thinking it would be a 10 a.m. start. Coming to watch Climo and Feldberg

[arrdee33]

Shotgun start at 10 am at Mosley on Sat. Pros play at Mosley on Sat two rounds of 18. Players meeting at 9:15am.

Can AM's expect the same tee time/players meeting @ Flyboy?

[scheibe]

For the Friday doubles thing, what time can we show up and do we need to sign up anywhere or just bring our $10 to gift to the pros? It would be awesome if we could come a little early and play the course a bit prior to the doubles match.

[stuckey g]

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[vercingetorix]

A schedule of events would be really helpful considering the website is not an option. I'm coming from out of town, and am currently trying to figure out how to manage all the driving so an exact schedule of events for the weekend would be helpful! thanks in advance and see you all there

[arrdee33]

A schedule of events would be really helpful considering the website is not an option. I'm coming from out of town, and am currently trying to figure out how to manage all the driving so an exact schedule of events for the weekend would be helpful! thanks in advance and see you all there

Agreed, come on guys....Pdga "Super Tour" event...in 9 days, and all of us non-locals are in the dark here....I don't have twitter or any social network site account for that matter......how bout an edit of the TOP post with some solid info of everything.

not dogging you guys, I know its a lot of work, my minimal posts call me a barney, but I've played plenty of tournys, many of which I travel 3 hrs down from TN cause yall always put on a good show......get it together man

[scheibe]

Flyboy will be open for play all day Friday (4-15) before the tournament. Rand-um draw doubles will be at 3:00 p.m. for $10. Unfortunately, since it's private property and some rumps acted up out there, groups must now be escorted thus limiting the play times.

Sorry I should have been more specific: Since we have to be escorted to play the course Friday, who should we contact about playing Friday prior to doubles and what's a reasonable time to get there, or is the escorting thing off for that Friday?

[Dr. Manhattan]

Is JP Mosley set up in the correct AO positions?

Yes all pins are in their correct setting. We're using all golds except 13 which we will be playing from black.

Golds for both rounds for Ams?

[dandaman]

Is JP Mosley set up in the correct AO positions?

Yes all pins are in their correct setting. We're using all golds except 13 which we will be playing from black.

Golds for both rounds for Ams?

Intermediates and Advanced Divisions will play the same layout as the Pro's: All golds except for Black #13-bothe rounds. Rec and juniors will be playing from the Blues.

[grease]

Sorry for the delayed response, but I have had login issues. If this doesn't answer your questions, scroll through this thread and figure it out on your own. What did players do 5 years ago before the computer hand fed you all the answers?

Check in will be 8:30-9:30 A.M
Players meeting will be 9:30 and may take a little longer at Flyboy
Start time for AM's at Flyboy is shotgun and 10:00 A.M. or so depending on the players meeting

Players meeting at Mosely 9:30 A.M>
Start time at Mosely is 10:00 A.M.

No players party per se except for the keg at Flyboy Friday and Saturday night, plus Moose's cooking.

Flymart will be wherever the AM's are as Wes Campbell will be there with his goodies, Bob from Disc Caddie will have an abundance of special discs, and I will have some private stash and Atlanta Open custom stamped discs available.

I apologize for coming off short, but I have had the same questions asked over and over again. The times I just posted could have been copied from a tournament ten years ago. They are and have been the times we and most of the country have used for as long as I can remember. Forgive me for being old school, I just remember when we could add, navigate, and generally think for ourselves before the advent of the computer.

[408man]

What did players do 5 years ago before the computer hand fed you all the answers?

Hmm, maybe failed the official's test?

[Fly Boy]

AO golfers, here is some Flyboy info that may be helpful for your AO planning:

The directions to FB posted on this site are good. Signs will be up at the final road intersections as you get close. Please park in the designated parking areas.

The course will be open Friday, April 15th after 10am to AO players (no need to contact me, just come on out). Sign in at the pro shop and sign a waiver before stepping to the course. If you wish to buy anything in the pro shop, see me or my folks. There’s no course fee, but donations are greatly appreciated! Help me buy some diesel!

Camping is available starting Friday night for $10 per person (please pay me on arrival). Talk to me about where to pitch your tent. A full bathroom with hot shower is now available in the country store for the campers (thanks Brad Orman!) Please keep showers short due to limited hot water. Two fire pits are available for campfires, bring some wood. No glow golf this time please.

Moose will be cooking all weekend. Otherwise, the towns of Carrollton or Villa Rica are your best bet for dinning or supplies.

Please stay off the Runway except to cross it in front of Flyboy unless I give you permission. Do your warm-up throws on the course fairways, not on the runway.

Here’s a link to the new layout and Tee signs at Flyboy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bm_photos/

If you haven’t heard about the sensitive neighbor issues I’ve been dealing with out here, please read my post on this site (“What’s up at Flyboy Aviation disc golf?”). The AO is the one BIG event I’m allowed to have this year at Flyboy. The neighbors WILL be involved, with concession stands, in and around my hangar, and spectating around the course. Need I say more? As always, please make an effort to engage with them, and say thanx for the use of THEIR property. If this goes well there will likely be more big events here. If not, this may well be the last, so please…be respectful and professional.

If you have questions for me that Rand or Grease can’t answer, post them here and I’ll respond ASAP. The Flyboy crew (especially Morgan) is looking forward to seeing all of you here for the AO.

Kelly

[Fly Boy]

A huge thank you to Mason, and Phillip for helping me with storm clean-up Wednesday. Also to 2-Disc Dan for becoming one with the weed wacker today. Chris R and his G-Tech boys will be out tomorrow morning to knock out hole #7 fairway clean-up. Anyone is welcome to join in, and play a round tomorrow (Saturday) afternoon with us.
Kelly

[arrdee33]

figure it out on your own. What did players do 5 years ago before the computer hand fed you all the answers?

Geee, thanks "TD", I guess your right, an out of town barney should just figure it out on his own.

I have no idea what players did 5 years ago, I wasnt playing then. (as the majory of the AM field i assume)
In the age of all this great tech, one might expect the info somewhere on a computer.
and btw, I scoured this thread for a AM tee-time/schedule and I didn't find it on my own, because it wasn't there....Mosleys times were, but how can I expect the same.

blah blah blah, who cares right, enough whining.

Thanks for posting the info, I can now plan travel times, and thats all I was really trying to do.

Thanks Kelly as well, for the added info about Flyboy, I'm really looking forward to the event and when its all over, all this bickering will be behind us.

Like I said earlier, Im not dogging anyone here, I just wanted that hand feeding of info

[drich673]

Hey, Is it possible to un-register for this Tourney? I am registered Mens Rec, and I have some urgent family business that has come up for next weekend. I don't care about the $$ so much as my rating getting ruined if I am counted as a no-show. Can someone please let me know?

[grease]

What did players do 5 years ago before the computer hand fed you all the answers?

Hmm, maybe failed the official's test?

At least one person was paying attention!

[grease]

Hey, Is it possible to un-register for this Tourney? I am registered Mens Rec, and I have some urgent family business that has come up for next weekend. I don't care about the $$ so much as my rating getting ruined if I am counted as a no-show. Can someone please let me know?

That shouldn't be a problem at all. Sorry to hear you can't make it. Just shoot Randgolf a pm with your name and if you would like to sponsor or get a refund.

[dandaman]

JP Moseley Park:

Tees. All open divisions, advanced divisions and the intermediate divisions will play the gold tee pads except for Black 13. Most gold tees are on 6X12 concrete slabs except for hole #1 (driveway by utility shed), hole #9 (walking path where it crosses the creek), hole #11 (walking path by bench) and black #13 (on walking path, top of hill, approximately 130 ft. south of 12’s tee pad. All recreational and junior divisions will play blue tees. Most blue tees are on the 6X12 concrete slabs. However, hole #’s 4, 7, 8, 10, 12, 17 and 18 will be natural tees (marked by posts as blues).

Creeks. You are OB if you are surrounded by water in any of the creeks that make their way throughout the course.

The walking paths that are throughout the course play as man-made creeks. Completely surrounded by asphalt is OB. Exceptions to that rule are the gold tees on # 9 and 11, the black tee on #13 and the drop zone on #11. In areas where the walking paths are not evidently clear orange flags have been set up to alert players of their presence.

There are two frog ponds on the course- holes 8 and 9. If your disc lands in a frog pond and is completely surrounded by the rocks that designate the “pond” you are OB. If your disc is touching any portion of a border rock of a frog pond you are in bounds!

Hole #11 plays as an island green. Successful tee shots are shots that land in the circle OR that come to rest touching any portion of a border rock. Any other variation of this qualifies as an unsuccessful tee shot. Unsuccessful tee shots will result in a one throw penalty and players have the option of re-teeing OR taking their third shot from the drop zone (recommended). The drop zone for #11 is on the walking path by the creek.

Mandos: Any missed mandos result in a one shot penalty. There are two holes with Mandos on them: 9 and 10. Hole #9’s mando is approximately 400 ft. from the tee and goes to the right of a very large tree. The drop zone for a missed mando on #9 is approximately 40 ft.to the right of the mando. Hole #10’s mando is a double mando off the tee (Gold tee only). A missed mando on #10 is an automatic re-tee.

Hole 1: Going on or over the walking path to the right of the hole is OB
Hole 4: Going on or over the walking path to the right of the hole is OB
Hole 8: Frog Pond is OB(approx. 250 ft. from gold tee) Going beyond the walking path behind 8’s basket is OB. Both creeks have bridges going over them,
Hole 9: Mando to the right approx. 400 ft. away from gold tee. Walking path splits the fairway at about 450 ft. (marked with orange flags). Frog Pond approximately 170 ft. short of basket. On or beyond walking path behind basket is OB.
Hole 10: Double mando off of tee (gold). On or beyond walking path is OB.
Hole 11: Island green.
Hole 12: On or over walking path is OB
Hole 13: Over the fence to the right is OB (entire length of hole). Over the creek (behind the basket) is OB. On or beyond the walking path near hole #9’s tee is OB. Hole 12’s fairway is inbounds for 13.
Hole 14: Creek on the left hand side of the fairway.
Hole 15: Creek crosses fairway approximately 80 ft. in front of gold/blue tee pad.

[Fly Boy]

Flyboy Aviation:

Tees. All open, advanced and intermediate divisions will play the gold tee pads (the only tee pads), which are rubber except for #5 which tees off the road. All recreational and juniors will play natural tees marked by flags.

Lakes. There are 3 lakes affecting 11 holes. Standard ob rules apply to the lakes, and hole #3 has a drop zone on the far shore marked by an orange cone.

Creeks and flowing water. There are several on the course and you are ob if your disc is surrounded by water in these.

Casual water. There are several areas of casual water, marked as such, around the course. These are not ob.

Roads and paved surfaces All paved roads and paved surfaces are ob. Gravel roads are not ob.

Grass Aircraft Runway The runway is ob. Runway ob is determined by a line extending between the stalks of two successive runway lights. If your disc is touching this line, you are not ob.

Buildings. Buildings are ob if your disc is under or on any part of the structure.

Mandos. Hole #18 has a triple mando (left, right, and upper) formed by trees and branches on the fairway. Hole #27 has a mando just beyond the tee pad on the right side of the fairway. Any missed mando results in a one shot penalty. The drop zone for a missed mando on either hole is abeam the mando signs.

OB and hole specifics:

1 road ob. road is 10 feet past red and white stakes
2 road ob
3 lake ob with drop zone, casual water to left of fairway not ob
4 lake ob, ditch ob as marked, flowing water from drain pipe ob if your disc is surrounded
5 road ob, lake ob
6 lake ob
7 yellow rope marking area of big logs mid-fairway on left ob
8 none
9 lake ob, road/cul-d-sac ob
10 none
11 casual water in basket area not ob
12 none
13 beware big pile of tree debris right side of fairway but not ob
14 lake ob
15 lake and flowing water at bottom of dam ob
16 flowing water in stream about 35 feet beyond basked is ob, casual water around basket is not ob
17 none
18 triple mando. If you miss the mando, play from marked position between the mando signs and take a one stroke penalty
19 yellow rope running along silt fence on right of fairway ob, runway ob
Please remain off the runway when walking between holes #19 and #20
20 road ob
21 road ob, runway ob
22 pavement (including asphalt) and building on left of fairway ob
23 pavement and buildings on left and right of fairway ob
24 lake ob
25 lake ob
26 pit of casual water right of basket not ob
27 mando just beyond and right of the tee pad prevents throws around back side of hangar to right of fairway. missed mando is one stroke penalty and retee beside mando, runway ob, pavement and buildings ob

Note: seems like a lot of OB, but many of these are typically not a factor, for example, when teeing off over a road just beyond the tee pad.

GOOD LUCK FROM THE FLYBOY CREW!

[Randgolf]

PDGA SUPER TOUR Atier event
Pro/AM Flyboy and JP Mosley

Pros at JP Mosley on Sat - two rounds of 18 Players meeting at 9:30 tee off at 10am
Pros at Flyboy on Sunday - one round of 27 tee time at 10am

AM at Flyboy on Sat 9:30 players meeting 10am tee off
AM at JP Mosley on Sunday 10am tee off

Ams Flyboy Sat 27 and JP Sunday 36 holes. The only two divisions that will not play the same tees all weekend and therefore not be eligible for the USDGC are Rec divisions and Jrs divisions. All other divisions male and female will have a shot. You have to be rated 850 or higher before you become eligible to qualify.

This event will be a USDGC qualifier open to ALL divisions playing the same tee pads the same weekend (special exception made for the AO). See detailed information as to how an Am players has as good if not a better chance of making it to the USDGC than a better player.

USDGC Qualifying Info: http://www.pdga.com/usdgc-qualifiers
Vibram Open Qualifier: http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/rand-eberhard.html
US Amatuer Qualifier

AM IS FULL

I will be at Flyboy all day on Friday for those that want to cuss me out or pay me

Thanks to Grease, Daniel, Moose, and Kelly for stepping in to help me out.

[BP]

Re: Flymart

Disc Caddie will be on site at Flyboy starting Friday AM running thru Saturday evening. Also set up Sunday from lunch/end of round one thru end of tourney at JP. Will have ability to process credit cards on site this year!

Wes Campbell will also be on site both at Flyboy & JP. We'll confirm his appearance and timing...

Sorry for the delayed response, but I have had login issues. If this doesn't answer your questions, scroll through this thread and figure it out on your own. What did players do 5 years ago before the computer hand fed you all the answers?

Check in will be 8:30-9:30 A.M
Players meeting will be 9:30 and may take a little longer at Flyboy
Start time for AM's at Flyboy is shotgun and 10:00 A.M. or so depending on the players meeting

Players meeting at Mosely 9:30 A.M>
Start time at Mosely is 10:00 A.M.

No players party per se except for the keg at Flyboy Friday and Saturday night, plus Moose's cooking.

Flymart will be wherever the AM's are as Wes Campbell will be there with his goodies, Bob from Disc Caddie will have an abundance of special discs, and I will have some private stash and Atlanta Open custom stamped discs available.

I apologize for coming off short, but I have had the same questions asked over and over again. The times I just posted could have been copied from a tournament ten years ago. They are and have been the times we and most of the country have used for as long as I can remember. Forgive me for being old school, I just remember when we could add, navigate, and generally think for ourselves before the advent of the computer.

[Cyoda44]

Will players be required to comply with the dress code? Collared shirts... No "Tshirts"

[Randgolf]

Collared shirts are not required, but they are prefered. I would love to see all of the competitors dress to impress. We will have corporate representatives on sight. Wearing a collared shirt or a drifit tshirt just makes everyone look like less of a neck than disc golfers are automatically assumed to be. Wear what you want but understand that you are representing the sport of disc golf, PDGA, Atlanta Open, and yourself.

Don't be offended by the "neck" comment. I likley am the most obvious neck out of all of us

[dandaman]

Well I guess that takes my "I'm with stupid" t-shirt out of the equation.

[Clunck]

figure it out on your own. What did players do 5 years ago before the computer hand fed you all the answers?

Geee, thanks "TD", I guess your right, an out of town barney should just figure it out on his own.

I have no idea what players did 5 years ago, I wasnt playing then. (as the majory of the AM field i assume)
In the age of all this great tech, one might expect the info somewhere on a computer.
and btw, I scoured this thread for a AM tee-time/schedule and I didn't find it on my own, because it wasn't there....Mosleys times were, but how can I expect the same.

blah blah blah, who cares right, enough whining.

Thanks for posting the info, I can now plan travel times, and thats all I was really trying to do.

Thanks Kelly as well, for the added info about Flyboy, I'm really looking forward to the event and when its all over, all this bickering will be behind us.

Like I said earlier, Im not dogging anyone here, I just wanted that hand feeding of info

The Atlanta Open is on!

PDGA SUPER TOUR Atier event
Pro/AM Flyboy and JP Mosley

Pros at JP Mosley on Sat - two rounds of 18 Players meeting at 9:30 tee off at 10am
Pros at Flyboy on Sunday - one round of 27 tee time at 10am

AM at Flyboy on Sat 9:30 players meeting 10am tee off
AM at JP Mosley on Sunday 10am tee off

First part of the first post

[Bhuff]

Probably stupid question but wanted to make sure...My GF/SO is wanting to come along with my for the DG/camping experience. Will this be a problem having her caddy for me and hanging out outside of tournament play..? Thanks

[BP]

I think Grease requires an application from any GF's but I'm sure he'll chime in on the matter...

Probably stupid question but wanted to make sure...My GF/SO is wanting to come along with my for the DG/camping experience. Will this be a problem having her caddy for me and hanging out outside of tournament play..? Thanks

[BP]

Uh oh, I should have confirmed before I printed the new Disc Caddie "wife beater" T (the preferred daily wear for Woody) to be released this weekend

Collared shirts are not required, but they are prefered. I would love to see all of the competitors dress to impress. We will have corporate representatives on sight. Wearing a collared shirt or a drifit tshirt just makes everyone look like less of a neck than disc golfers are automatically assumed to be. Wear what you want but understand that you are representing the sport of disc golf, PDGA, Atlanta Open, and yourself.

Don't be offended by the "neck" comment. I likley am the most obvious neck out of all of us

[Woodrow]

I never!!

[arrdee33]

First part of the first post

yeah, after 3 edits.....dont start with me, all the bickering has ended on this thread.
were in single digits of days left till tee off. all the info is clear now, were all good

[noputtinsavage]

might be making a cameo on Sunday???????

[Randgolf]

Come hang out with me Sunday Leyviar.

[grease]

might be making a cameo on Sunday???????

I love you Craig! Can you come visit the AM side too?

Just want to apologize for coming off sharp. I completely understand the lack of player info, and hopefully you have what you need at this point. As Bob posted, he will be available all weekend. Wes (my brother) Campbell will be available all weekend, and I will have vintage and hard to find discs available on the AM side only. Suck it up pros! There should be plenty of disc golf equipment available for the AM side should you lose something or just want to help out the local vendors. I will also have a limited amount of Atlanta Open discs for sale. Every AM players will get a CFR disc, AO 2010 dvd, and a mini. The remaining discs will be for sale. Those include but are not limited to some incredible putters(rare soft grippy Aviar P&A's), R-Pro XD's(what's left), and some sweet AO stamped KC Rocs. Get these gems while you can before I grab them all up after the tourney and charge you twice the amount!

Looking forward to seeing you all at Flyboy either Friday for practice/dubs or Saturday.

[Moose]

I will be at Flyboy from Thursday evening thru Sunday night for your stomach's pleasure


Menu for Mooses general store includes the following:

Breakfast
big biscuits with either sausage or bacon, egg and cheese

Lunch, Dinner & late night
Boston Butt 1/2 pound sandwiches smoked in a la caja china box including 3 gourmet BBQ sauces (2 Gomez & 1 Moose)
1/3 pound burgers from Halpern's
10 inch Hebrew National all beef frankfurter's.
All of the sandwiches will be on buns from Alon's award winning bakery.
I will also have waters and gatorade for sale and a couple of Sweetwater Kegs (420 & IPA)


I will be taking pre-orders for breakfast the night before and lunch orders after players meetings on both Sat. and Sun. You will still be able to eat if you don't take advantage of this. It is just something I am trying out so that I can smoothly get you fed hot food as fast as possible so you can relax and not have to be in a line.

Look forward to meeting a bunch of new people and seeing all my old friends.

[Redan Randy]

might be making a cameo on Sunday???????

WORD UP!!

[BP]

I will be at Flyboy from Thursday evening thru Sunday night for your stomach's pleasure

Menu for Mooses general store includes the following:

Breakfast
big biscuits with either sausage or bacon, egg and cheese

Lunch, Dinner & late night
Boston Butt 1/2 pound sandwiches smoked in a la caja china box including 3 gourmet BBQ sauces (2 Gomez & 1 Moose)
1/3 pound burgers from Halpern's
10 inch Hebrew National all beef frankfurter's.
All of the sandwiches will be on buns from Alon's award winning bakery.
I will also have waters and gatorade for sale and a couple of Sweetwater Kegs (420 & IPA)

I will be taking pre-orders for breakfast the night before and lunch orders after players meetings on both Sat. and Sun. You will still be able to eat if you don't take advantage of this. It is just something I am trying out so that I can smoothly get you fed hot food as fast as possible so you can relax and not have to be in a line.

Look forward to meeting a bunch of new people and seeing all my old friends.

[Mike D]

PDGA SUPERSTORE??

This ad was on the bottom of this weeks flyer...



Anyone know details??

Who is running this event?

[12StonesScott]

PDGA SUPERSTORE??

This ad was on the bottom of this weeks flyer...



Anyone know details??

Who is running this event?

Steven Dodge from Vibram is supposed to be there -- as far as I know it#s being run by the PGA Tour Superstore itself.

[Randgolf]

Steve Dodge is running the Vibram event at the PGA TOUR SUPERSTORE.

[BP]

For those unable to attend, Steve will be doing another demo at Disc Caddie Monday at 12:00PM (I know, not ideal but Steve has a flight at 4PM). The additional benefit.... FREE Pizza!

Steve Dodge is running the Vibram event at the PGA TOUR SUPERSTORE.

[DaltonDiscMan]

Is it OB if a disc sneaks through a ground hog's hole and comes to rest inside a chained up, pad-locked utility shed? Not that anyone would dream of playing a disc from such a horrible lie but you never know, we could have a Barry Schultz sighting.

JH

[DaltonDiscMan]

Dan,

I played J.P. yesterday. You've got it looking NICE!! There are a few holes, however, that I can't remember if they are par 4's or 5's. Could you please tell me which holes ARE NOT par 3's and what the par for the hole is? Please forgive me if you've already answered this in a previous post. It is knidof difficult to read back through all of them.

Thanks so much!! I'm bringing the Nooga with me tomorrow.

JH

[Randgolf]

AO 2011 Hole Lengths and Pars

Flyboy, Length, Par
1 510 4
2 440 3
3 780 5
4 533 3
5 285 3
6 300 3
7 1080 5
8 250 3
9 530 4
10 465 4
11 290 3
12 190 3
13 520 4
14 310 3
15 960 5
16 220 3
17 310 3
18 315 3
Total 8288 64

19 400 3
20 465 4
21 400 3
22 253 3
23 390 3
24 710 4
25 250 3
26 300 3
27 700 5
Total 3868 31
combined 27 12156 95
Average FB 450.22 3.52

JPM, Length, Par
1 636 4
2 189 3
3 298 3
4 276 3
5 275 3
6 251 3
7 300 3
8 940 5
9 1030 5
10 443 3
11 308 3
12 501 3
13 1082 5
14 308 3
15 285 3
16 259 3
17 348 3
18 500 3
Total 8229 61
Average JPM 457.17 3.39

Average AO 2011 453 3.47

The above work is thanks to Wade Selph

[Henderson]

AO 2011 Hole Lengths and Pars

Flyboy, Length, Par
1 510 4
2 440 3
3 780 5
4 533 3
5 285 3
6 300 3
7 1080 5
8 250 3
9 530 4
10 465 4
11 290 3
12 190 3
13 520 4
14 310 3
15 960 5
16 220 3
17 310 3
18 315 3
Total 8288 64

19 400 3
20 465 4
21 400 3
22 253 3
23 390 3
24 710 4
25 250 3
26 300 3
27 700 5
Total 3868 31
combined 27 12156 95
Average FB 450.22 3.52

JPM, Length, Par
1 636 4
2 189 3
3 298 3
4 276 3
5 275 3
6 251 3
7 300 3
8 940 5
9 1030 5
10 443 3
11 308 3
12 501 3
13 1082 5
14 308 3
15 285 3
16 259 3
17 348 3
18 500 3
Total 8229 61
Average JPM 457.17 3.39

Average AO 2011 453 3.47

The above work is thanks to Wade Selph

Got this info for Rec lengths?

[Woodrow]

Got this info for Rec lengths?

A: A little shorter.

[dandaman]

J.P. Moseley Park
Stockbridge, GA

REC/JUNIORS= All BLUE TEE PADS

Hole 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Par 4 3 3 3 3 3 3 5 5
D. 529 189 298 181 249 251 341 673 847

Hole 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
Par 3 3 3 5 3 3 3 3 3
D. 351 263 432 682 308 285 259 286 404


Total Par= 61
Total Distance (ft) 3558(out) 3270(in) 6828(18)

[grease]

Check in at Flyboy will be 8:30-9:30 A.M
Players meeting will be 9:30 and may take a little longer at Flyboy
Start time for AM's at Flyboy is shotgun and 10:00 A.M. or so depending on the players meeting

I just want to reiterate that the check in time is solid and if you do not make the 9:30 cutoff, you're out.
Only reason is because with the somewhat delicate nature of and previous problems at Flyboy, the player's
meeting is MANDATORY. Kelly has specific directions and instructions on how to play and behave at Flyboy
that must be heard and understood by every player to insure this course is available for our use in the
future. Basically, we must be on our best behavior and mind our p's and q's while we're are playing this course
since it's private property and we are allowed to be there by the grace of the neighbors. Please pass this along
to anyone who you know may not have computer access, or will be traveling and may miss this post.

I can only speak for the AM side, but I would imagine that this info would be the same for the Pros on Sunday.

Thanks and looking forward to seeing everyone,

Grease

[TomahawkChopper]

Its just to bad a few boneheads had to ruin such a wonderful course. And hope everything goes well with the neighbors this weekend to allow future use of the course.

[grease]

Will players be required to comply with the dress code? Collared shirts... No "Tshirts"

Are you planning on wearing a wife beater and a g-string? Why the question? The dress code is "recommended"
but not required as stated in the rule you probably read. Most people have a collared shirt, but if you don't, a t-shirt
will suffice. We're not posing for a family portrait at Olan Mills.

[i2rt]

The course is in incredible shape. Just be sure to bring several "water disc" that you aren't afraid to lose. A bunker has been added on Hole 7 that looks like something you would see at the British Open. Shot selection and accuracy will be crucial on this Leviathan.

Moose's Cafe was going strong when I left and it all looked delicious. It is a long way to any area restaurants so everyone should plan to stay on site once you arrive and enjoy the home cooking. There will also be water, sodas, and BEER for sale on site.

[TomahawkChopper]

As sensitive as Flyboy is right now Id suggest dressing your best and minding your P's and Q's. Moseley thats a different story wear what you want there you don't have to worry about neighbors. Please don't go out there being stupid and ruining everything Kelly,Friends and Family have provided us with.

[VERMIN]

And for God's sake wear clean underwear...

[IMPRESARIO]

I see two World Champs in attendance. Am I missing someone else?

[Dr. Manhattan]

I see two World Champs in attendance. Am I missing someone else?

Sarah Stanhope

[Randgolf]

The final upload of players will be done tomorrow evening. Check back or scores.

[grease]

I see two World Champs in attendance. Am I missing someone else?

Barry Schultz
Lavone Wolf
Phil Arthur
Sarah Stanhope
Ken Climo
David Feldberg

[Randgolf]

Three openings in AM. Hurry out to Flyboy this morning and you can play in the AO. FIrst come first serve. Contact Greg Campbell the Am TD if you wanna play. I am not going to put his number on a public forum, but if you can track him down do it. If not just head out to Flyboy this morning and get in. Be there for the players meeting by 9:30am. Tee off is at 10am. If you show up at 10 you wont get in. Get there early by like 9am at the latest.

[D-Wiz]

There is some good coverage of the Atlanta Open on the PDGA website. Congrats to Rand on another great event! Good job Flyboy and JP Mosely crew as well for a job well done and some good props from some of the top pros. Thanks to all involved (even Grease). I wish I was there instead of at work

[good wood]

yes, great video on pdga hyping Fly Boy. But man! Who needs the hype It was freakin epic out there! Couldn't have asked for better weather, better people or better times! That dream is alive!

[Woodrow]

direct link?

[Q Mayben]

tee times?

[Woodrow]

MANDATORY 9:30 Players Meeting

[good wood]

Pdga preview video of Atlanta Open 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYVLx8kT ... r_embedded

[Bhuff]

I want to say thanks to everyone who had a part in this awesome tournament. THANKS!

[i2rt]

Scores are up
Sorry for the delay but I had to create 6 courses to get the ratings to be accurate.

I hope everyone enjoyed the weekend as much as I did.
Thanks to Rand, Greg, Kelly and Bob for including me in this incredible event.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/62748
Congrats to Barry on the win and Dustin for the top rated round of the tournament...1079 @ Moseley

All ratings seem too high other than the Open. I have looked at all the data so. I will talk to the PDGA in the morning to have them take a look.

[grease]

Rand is the mastermind behind all of this and deserves a huge thank you!

I will just say from the AM side, thank you to all the players. Without you, I would've just been talking to myself. Congratulations to all of the winners.
Big thanks to Kelly for Flyboy and Daniel May and crew for Moseley.Incredible field prep from Mason and Brad Orman. Everyone who was patient with me and especially those that helped with scorecards, Omar and Brian for the water hookup, and Phillip Belt and his Mom for their help. If I didn't name anyone specifically, sorry, but you know who you are and I really appreciate the help being low on staff as it was. Thanks Wes Campbell and Bob Pressley for the payout. Please support these guys! And last but not least, thank you Bill Thornton for being the human dynamo that you are!

[Dr. Manhattan]

So who qualified for the fake USDGC?

[D-Wiz]

So who qualified for the fake USDGC?

If it were you that qualified, would you play in it or is it below your moral d-golf standards now that it is "fake"?

[Dr. Manhattan]

So who qualified for the fake USDGC?

If it were you that qualified, would you play in it or is it below your moral d-golf standards now that it is "fake"?

No I wouldnt play in it. Playing in it would be supporting Innova's decision to change the tournament so no I would not play if I qualified. I was just wondering who did qualify so the players can get a better idea of how they are qualifying people.

[Lance]

Thanks to all who had a hand in putting this tournament together. It was fantastic. Both courses were in pristine condition. It was great to get to play Flyboy again. I hope we bought enough goodies from the neighbors to shed a more positive light on our presence there. Can't wait till next year...

[billnchristy]

So who qualified for the fake USDGC?

If it were you that qualified, would you play in it or is it below your moral d-golf standards now that it is "fake"?

No I wouldnt play in it. Playing in it would be supporting Innova's decision to change the tournament so no I would not play if I qualified. I was just wondering who did qualify so the players can get a better idea of how they are qualifying people.

How dare a company that has poured tens of thousands of dollars into the event change it...selfish bastards.

[$Dollar$]

Thank you so much Rand for the Best AO yet! Your hard work (along with all the staff and hosts) really made Atlanta shine bright for the out of towners. I cant wait for the next one.


I also thought I would throw this in here since it's over

It looks like the "bagger" has only played one PDGA tournament. He is a good player, but one event doesn't really give the most accurate rating. Lets see how he does in this year's AO.

You were right, he's better than that this year. Averaged 985 and would have cashed in Open!

[Dr. Manhattan]

If it were you that qualified, would you play in it or is it below your moral d-golf standards now that it is "fake"?

No I wouldnt play in it. Playing in it would be supporting Innova's decision to change the tournament so no I would not play if I qualified. I was just wondering who did qualify so the players can get a better idea of how they are qualifying people.[/quote]

How dare a company that has poured tens of thousands of dollars into the event change it...selfish bastards. [/quote]


Well their motives appear greedy to me. They dont have to pay out an AM tournament like they do a Pro tournament so instead of keeping the most prestegious disc golf tournament going they are tryin to cash in. The thing is if they want to do that fine, but dont call it the USDGC because it isnt. Give the previous winners the respect they deserve and call this something else.

[billnchristy]

I agree that it shouldn't be called the USDGC and you are right they probably are making a mint on it but they have probably lost 10x that over the years paying for the USDGC.

It might just be amusing seeing some low rated ams play the course...of course it might not be because the drop in distance may just minimize OB compared to a lot of the big arm pros.

You have to admit though, there are probably what, 30 people that really have a shot so the field was already pretty bogus...even if we bump it to 50.

[Dr. Manhattan]

I agree that it shouldn't be called the USDGC and you are right they probably are making a mint on it but they have probably lost 10x that over the years paying for the USDGC.

It might just be amusing seeing some low rated ams play the course...of course it might not be because the drop in distance may just minimize OB compared to a lot of the big arm pros.

You have to admit though, there are probably what, 30 people that really have a shot so the field was already pretty bogus...even if we bump it to 50.

It could be true that only 30-50 people have a shot but those are the people that I want to go and watch compete. If they are losing money they could always throw an am tourney to get there $$$ then do an invite only USDGC that wouldnt require all the money and man power and would still give disc golf a true US champion every year. I just dont think we should trade one for the other every other year and stamp the same title on it. And as far as being amused at how ams play the course, that is fine too, but do we really want to trade watching the best in the world play the course to see it?

[arrdee33]

Great tourny everyone!!, I know I had a blast.

A big thanks to all those involved getting things put together. We players can tend to overlook all the prep that goes in to these big events.
The courses looked outstanding, the tee signs were great. you coulda turned down the wind a little on saturday , but then again, I played better in it.

I loved the new holes at Flyboy. The new tee for #2, and fairway for #8 were great.
Looking forward to next year, I hope no one crossed the line at flyboy, the neighbors seemed happy, those that I saw.
and the best part, I kept all the discs I brought. and thats not to say I didnt need a net once.




Does anyone know where a link may show up with all the pics that were taken? especially those on scenic hole 3

[grease]

I think Bill Thornton was taking pictures on 3. It may be a couple days before he gets them up as he is probably sleeping after all of the work he did this weekend.

[Mike D]

Brad was out at Flyboy all weekend....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bm_photos/5626027409/

[Woodrow]

FANTASTIC job by everyone involved! One of my best DG experiences ever! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

On another note: I left my dark grey fleece vest on the bench on the hangar pad out at Flyboy Sunday. Anyone know where it is now?

[billnchristy]

Does anybody know the woman/girl who played Rec? I would like to let her know about my event.

[Tim Keith]

Had a GREAT TIME this weekend! Best AO I've played yet, Thanks Rand and Kelly for putting this on! Can'twait for the next Flyboy tourny.

TK

I also left my blk fleese vest with Discraft embroidered on the back and my warmup pants on the table in the hanger, Kelly please hold on to them and i will get them sometime.

[dandaman]

Easily one of the best tournaments I have ever played/participated in.

Rand-

You did a fanstatic job. Love the fact that you got so many great players to be featured on some of the better fairways in Atlanta. Greg did a great job on the AM side and Kelly with his hospitality at Flyboy- it really was far and away the best that I have seen at any tournament anywhere.

I certainely hope there is a next time. I know an NT is more work but I believe the community of Atlanta would be willing to support such an endeavor if it were to come on the horizon again.

The value of the tournament experience and the courses played greatly outweighed the cost of entry.

Great job once again,

Daniel

[JPZ]

14:42 Thx RR 4 the binoculars...great vantage point!

[i2rt]

FANTASTIC job by everyone involved! One of my best DG experiences ever! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

On another note: I left my dark grey fleece vest on the bench on the hangar pad out at Flyboy Sunday. Anyone know where it is now?

I think it was still there today. I will let Kelly know.

[heartman]

14:26 in that video is me in the black long sleeves! Had a blast following the pros around on Saturday. Well done to Rand and the others who helped put this tourney together.

[Fly Boy]

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for being so respectful and professional at Flyboy Aviation this weekend. This was a dream come true for me, and I was honored to have all of you here. The few neighbors who did come out were impressed with the professional way the event was run, and enjoyed chatting with those of you who engaged with them, so thanks for that PR help. The Flygirls Concession stand between # 18 and 19 did very well (more great PR), and the only scraps of trash I found were from Morgan digging in the trash and ripping open one of Mooses foil wrapped burgers!

Prepping for the AO was expensive and tons of hard work, and for those of you who stepped up to help me out with your time and donations, I will not forget you, thanks.

I have a sense that I am winning back some support for the course from the community out here, and hopefully this along with your AO course fees going straight to the Property Owners Association treasury will help get some of the fence-sitting neighbors behind us.

The AO has brought Flyboy Aviation up to the next level. Seeing the big touring pros out playing the course on Sunday, and then filming the CLASH video on Monday with Climo &Feldberg vs Phil Arthur & Double G, with Barry Schultz and Billy Crump commentating, was like being in a dream for me! I'm very proud of what WE'VE accomplished to get Flyboy where it is today. There's always room for improvement though, so I welcome your feed back on the new layout while its still fresh in your minds, and appreciate when you spread the word out there on Flyboy.

Thanks!
Kelly

[billnchristy]

Sarah just told me something that Jeremy Kolling said about Flyboy and I thought it was worthy of sharing:

Exceeds the hype.

You really cannot say it better.

[Henderson]

First off let me say, I had an extremely good time this past weekend. Flyboy was amazing and I hope we can have more events there! J.P. was everything I expected. Moose did an outstanding job keeping us fed! I could go on and on, but I just want to thank everyone who had a part in putting on this event.

Complaints.....

Now I just wanted to add in.... This being a "A-tier" event, and even though there was only 5 Rec players, I am sorely unhappy with both the payout (combined first and second was less than one persons entry fee!?) and we can't even blame it on 1st place getting a trophy... because Rec didn't get one.
Beyond that, the so called players award ceremony was something I would expect to see at a Sub "C-Tier" event.. There was absolutely no excitement at all... With 2 or 3 divisions going into sudden death I expected a lot more. Maybe it was my fault for expecting more... maybe not.. I will say this though, EVERY Single other "B" and "C" tier event I have participated in (7 to date) have announced scores for the pay outs or at least the top 3 and told how close the race was. This was my first look into an "A" tier event, and maybe all the negatives would have been worth it if my weekend was a week prior or later so I could watch the pros throw the same course I would/have played. I am not impressed at all with how this panned out. Hopefully someone will see this and consider making some adjustments to make it a more memorable event (in the positive instead of the negative)

[BP]

Now we just need J to write a 5 * review on Flyboy

Sarah just told me something that Jeremy Kolling said about Flyboy and I thought it was worthy of sharing:

Exceeds the hype.

You really cannot say it better.

[grease]

Complaints.....

Now I just wanted to add in.... This being a "A-tier" event, and even though there was only 5 Rec players, I am sorely unhappy with both the payout (combined first and second was less than one persons entry fee!?) and we can't even blame it on 1st place getting a trophy... because Rec didn't get one.
Beyond that, the so called players award ceremony was something I would expect to see at a Sub "C-Tier" event.. There was absolutely no excitement at all... With 2 or 3 divisions going into sudden death I expected a lot more. Maybe it was my fault for expecting more... maybe not.. I will say this though, EVERY Single other "B" and "C" tier event I have participated in (7 to date) have announced scores for the pay outs or at least the top 3 and told how close the race was. This was my first look into an "A" tier event, and maybe all the negatives would have been worth it if my weekend was a week prior or later so I could watch the pros throw the same course I would/have played. I am not impressed at all with how this panned out. Hopefully someone will see this and consider making some adjustments to make it a more memorable event (in the positive instead of the negative)

First-There wasn't even supposed to be a Rec division. That was a mistake(on who's part I can't really note), but we let the people who got in before the option to play Rec was shut down either move up or stay in Rec. Basically, we wanted everyone to play the same course and not have to make any special concessions for a lower division, but we did anyway.

Second-If you noticed on the payout sheet it showed deductions for players adding up to $34 per player. That included $25 for the players pack(retail was over $40), $5 players fee for Flyboy and $4 for the PDGA. rec only paid $40 vs. $60 for all the other AM divisions. The math adds up to 5 Rec players at $6 left after fees or $30.We bumped it up to $35.

Third-Only divisions with 6 ore more players had trophies ordered. The Pro Females, Rec, and Advanced Grandmasters had less than that thus no trophy.

Fourth-You saw the amount of help I had and I was doing my best to move things along, but was pressured from many people to just get their vouchers and leave. I usually have an awards ceremony that includes all players and not just the winners.

There won't be a Rec. division next year.

Thanks everyone for the negative comments. It is very appreciated and makes taking time off and spare time that I have(which is not much) to help run this event seem worth it. Won't see you next year.

[billnchristy]

That's what I love about this place, always ultra positive responses to criticism.

Keep up the great work ADGO!

[grease]

That's what I love about this place, always ultra positive responses to criticism.

Keep up the great work ADGO!

What does the ADGO have to do with this? If they were involved, I would have had more help and the AM side would have run smoother with a full blown awards ceremony. Don't jump to conclusions. BTW, I volunteered to help run this to support Rand and the "won't see you next year" was directed to the Rec player that was complaining. I guess maybe I'll see him next year if he steps up to Int. If everyone that was standing around whining would've helped out, things would have been different.

[Dr. Manhattan]

Complaints.....

Now I just wanted to add in.... This being a "A-tier" event, and even though there was only 5 Rec players, I am sorely unhappy with both the payout (combined first and second was less than one persons entry fee!?) and we can't even blame it on 1st place getting a trophy... because Rec didn't get one.
Beyond that, the so called players award ceremony was something I would expect to see at a Sub "C-Tier" event.. There was absolutely no excitement at all... With 2 or 3 divisions going into sudden death I expected a lot more. Maybe it was my fault for expecting more... maybe not.. I will say this though, EVERY Single other "B" and "C" tier event I have participated in (7 to date) have announced scores for the pay outs or at least the top 3 and told how close the race was. This was my first look into an "A" tier event, and maybe all the negatives would have been worth it if my weekend was a week prior or later so I could watch the pros throw the same course I would/have played. I am not impressed at all with how this panned out. Hopefully someone will see this and consider making some adjustments to make it a more memorable event (in the positive instead of the negative)

First-There wasn't even supposed to be a Rec division. That was a mistake(on who's part I can't really note), but we let the people who got in before the option to play Rec was shut down either move up or stay in Rec. Basically, we wanted everyone to play the same course and not have to make any special concessions for a lower division, but we did anyway.

Second-If you noticed on the payout sheet it showed deductions for players adding up to $34 per player. That included $25 for the players pack(retail was over $40), $5 players fee for Flyboy and $4 for the PDGA. rec only paid $40 vs. $60 for all the other AM divisions. The math adds up to 5 Rec players at $6 left after fees or $30.We bumped it up to $35.

Third-Only divisions with 6 ore more players had trophies ordered. The Pro Females, Rec, and Advanced Grandmasters had less than that thus no trophy.

Fourth-You saw the amount of help I had and I was doing my best to move things along, but was pressured from many people to just get their vouchers and leave. I usually have an awards ceremony that includes all players and not just the winners.

There won't be a Rec. division next year.

Thanks everyone for the negative comments. It is very appreciated and makes taking time off and spare time that I have(which is not much) to help run this event seem worth it. Won't see you next year.

I think you are taking this a little too hard Greg and it isnt like all of his complaints are completely unfounded. Your explanation of the payout makes since but Im sure you can see how someone who didnt know how it all broke down could wonder about the payout especially if they had played smaller tournaments that cost less and paid out more. Also you cant really blame a guy who played rec when there was a rec division open. It isnt his fault that there wasnt supposed to be one. I saw that you were getting a little overwhelmed and can sympathize with that and I did help you add up a card or 2 and got the advanced play off going so I did try to help out and didnt just stand around and bitch. If you needed more help you should have just grabbed a few of us that you know and gotten the help you needed. I can also understand how someone may want to see the players who played well get some recognition at the end of what I consider to be one of the biggest tournaments in GA so again I dont think his criticisms are unreasonable and they were presented in a respectable manner. Again I appreciate the time you put in and the tournement did go really well.

[Here4Beer]

Grease,

You did a great job all weekend. Especially on Sunday when you had to fly solo with little to no help. I had to leave immediately on Sunday but am dismayed to hear that after all the prep and two days running the Am side you were subjected to bitching and whining while running 100 MPH with your hair on fire (I did see a couple guys helping check cards). The split venues put you at the greatest disadvantage especially on Sunday at JPM. Even a noob like me could see WTF was going on...

Beers on me, dude. DM

[grease]

Patrick,
I agree that his complaints were not unfounded, but I posted what I did to shed some light on the situation. It gets real frustrating when you run a tournament, put your heart and soul into it, and get negative comments. I'm not going to drop in the normal comeback here. I get nothing for doing this except the appreciation of the players. II mentioned earlier about players helping out but didn't mention you. Thank you Patrick Kellner for helping add up scorecards. Also, at every other tournament I have run or been involved with, there is an awards ceremony that gives everyone credit for their accomplishment. I hope this and my previous posts are presented in a respectable manner. I held off from using any expletives which was really hard for me to do. Thanks for playing the AO this year everyone and have a nice day.

[billnchristy]

BTW I agreed with just about everything you said but we had to keep this you hate rec players thing going and this seemed a perfect opportunity.

I am sure you did a great job and I know you put a lot of effort into it.

[Henderson]

First off let me say, I had an extremely good time this past weekend. Flyboy was amazing and I hope we can have more events there! J.P. was everything I expected. Moose did an outstanding job keeping us fed! I could go on and on, but I just want to thank everyone who had a part in putting on this event.

First-There wasn't even supposed to be a Rec division. That was a mistake(on who's part I can't really note), but we let the people who got in before the option to play Rec was shut down either move up or stay in Rec. Basically, we wanted everyone to play the same course and not have to make any special concessions for a lower division, but we did anyway.

Then you should have offered me my money back or asked me (us) to move up, not too damned hard... or maybe it is.

Second-If you noticed on the payout sheet it showed deductions for players adding up to $34 per player. That included $25 for the players pack(retail was over $40), $5 players fee for Flyboy and $4 for the PDGA. rec only paid $40 vs. $60 for all the other AM divisions. The math adds up to 5 Rec players at $6 left after fees or $30.We bumped it up to $35.

No, I didn't notice.. hence the negative comment. Thanks for the explanation though, I do feel better about it.... now.

Third-Only divisions with 6 ore more players had trophies ordered. The Pro Females, Rec, and Advanced Grandmasters had less than that thus no trophy.

Hence an award ceremony.. this would have been a good announcement to make at that point

Fourth-You saw the amount of help I had and I was doing my best to move things along, but was pressured from many people to just get their vouchers and leave. I usually have an awards ceremony that includes all players and not just the winners.

I am always more than willing to help, hell as long as I get to play... ask me to help out with the whole event.. I want to learn about how events are ran.. I passed the online TD test but know that is only one part of running a successful event.

There won't be a Rec. division next year.

well, since I have only been playing this sport since Oct or 2010, hopefully next year I will be at least up to intermediate

Thanks everyone for the negative comments. It is very appreciated and makes taking time off and spare time that I have(which is not much) to help run this event seem worth it. Won't see you next year.

I wasn't trying to lay blame anywhere, I was just giving what I thought would be "constructive" feedback to make improvements....and I did THANK everyone who put in time and helped out at the event... didn't think I was going to make anyone upset or make them want to quit helping

-Henderson

[richardhead]

Grease, I appreciate you. I wasn't there, but I have seen first hand how you work your ass off. You, like Rand, put on top notch events and anyone that has been around knows that.

Personally, I don't think there should be a rec division. I don't remember there being so much bitching back when it was Intermediate, Advanced, Open, and Age Protected divisions. Should be that way still. With all of these lower divisions they should be playing for a player's pack and a a trophy. Lower there entry fee's next time. As if paying $34 to play 2 world class courses wasn't enough.

I played The Stoney Hill Challenge a few weeks back. It was a C-Tier that was played on the Sauls Brothers private course. The payouts were very low, but with it being a c-tier they had no requirements to meet. I didn't hear one gripe from a single player about the payouts. The chance to play a world class course made it all worth while. Stoney Hill is a must play BTW. Instant Top 3 in my book!

Anyway, keep on keeping on. There's always going to be gripes, you can't please everyone. I guess you won't be seeing that gentleman at the PPIC, which is another Top Notch Georiga Tournament!! I won't charge you for that promotion.lol

[Dr. Manhattan]

Patrick,
I agree that his complaints were not unfounded, but I posted what I did to shed some light on the situation. It gets real frustrating when you run a tournament, put your heart and soul into it, and get negative comments. I'm not going to drop in the normal comeback here. I get nothing for doing this except the appreciation of the players. II mentioned earlier about players helping out but didn't mention you. Thank you Patrick Kellner for helping add up scorecards. Also, at every other tournament I have run or been involved with, there is an awards ceremony that gives everyone credit for their accomplishment. I hope this and my previous posts are presented in a respectable manner. I held off from using any expletives which was really hard for me to do. Thanks for playing the AO this year everyone and have a nice day.

I understand and wasnt trying to pile on or anything. Also a specific thanks wasnt necessary and that was not my intent but thank you anyways. Next event that I am at if you need a hand with something feel free to ask as I dont mind helping out.

[Henderson]

Grease, I appreciate you. I wasn't there, but I have seen first hand how you work your ass off. You, like Rand, put on top notch events and anyone that has been around knows that.

First off let me say, I had an extremely good time this past weekend. Flyboy was amazing and I hope we can have more events there! J.P. was everything I expected. Moose did an outstanding job keeping us fed! I could go on and on, but I just want to thank everyone who had a part in putting on this event.

I guess I will go on and on... Thanks Grease, Kelly and everyone else who put in time!

Personally, I don't think there should be a rec division. I don't remember there being so much bitching back when it was Intermediate, Advanced, Open, and Age Protected divisions. Should be that way still. With all of these lower divisions they should be playing for a player's pack and a a trophy. Lower there entry fee's next time. As if paying $34 to play 2 world class courses wasn't enough.

Thank you for your personal input on this.
It was not my intention to come across as bitching, I think there is always room for improvements and was trying to provide feedback. I know I like to hear both the good and bad in things I do to make improvements.

I played The Stoney Hill Challenge a few weeks back. It was a C-Tier that was played on the Sauls Brothers private course. The payouts were very low, but with it being a c-tier they had no requirements to meet. I didn't hear one gripe from a single player about the payouts. The chance to play a world class course made it all worth while. Stoney Hill is a must play BTW. Instant Top 3 in my book!

thanks for the course review, I'll have to check it out.

Anyway, keep on keeping on. There's always going to be gripes, you can't please everyone. I guess you won't be seeing that gentleman at the PPIC, which is another Top Notch Georiga Tournament!! I won't charge you for that promotion.lol

Actually, if there is an event I can play, I will. I am pretty sure I have participated in each event in the area, and a few out there, like the Savannah open and the chainsaw classic. I don't know what the PPIC is an acronym for, but if it is in the area, and I haven't already committed to another event, and have whatever division I am in at the time available, I'll be there

[bazkitcase5]

I want to thank everybody who had anything to do with organizing this tournament.

I also want to thank everybody who had anything to do with designing, working on, and/or prepping these courses for this tournament. It was my first time playing Flyboy and it had been about 4 years since I had played JP Mosley. Both courses were in top notch shape and were fun to play.

Look forward to my next event in Atlanta, whenever that may be.

[craigd]

PPIC, which is another Top Notch Georiga Tournament!!

Hear, Hear! ***In my best British accent***

[rpetty1800]

Complaints.....

Now I just wanted to add in.... This being a "A-tier" event, and even though there was only 5 Rec players, I am sorely unhappy with both the payout (combined first and second was less than one persons entry fee!?) and we can't even blame it on 1st place getting a trophy... because Rec didn't get one.
Beyond that, the so called players award ceremony was something I would expect to see at a Sub "C-Tier" event.. There was absolutely no excitement at all... With 2 or 3 divisions going into sudden death I expected a lot more. Maybe it was my fault for expecting more... maybe not.. I will say this though, EVERY Single other "B" and "C" tier event I have participated in (7 to date) have announced scores for the pay outs or at least the top 3 and told how close the race was. This was my first look into an "A" tier event, and maybe all the negatives would have been worth it if my weekend was a week prior or later so I could watch the pros throw the same course I would/have played. I am not impressed at all with how this panned out. Hopefully someone will see this and consider making some adjustments to make it a more memorable event (in the positive instead of the negative)

First-There wasn't even supposed to be a Rec division. That was a mistake(on who's part I can't really note), but we let the people who got in before the option to play Rec was shut down either move up or stay in Rec. Basically, we wanted everyone to play the same course and not have to make any special concessions for a lower division, but we did anyway.

Second-If you noticed on the payout sheet it showed deductions for players adding up to $34 per player. That included $25 for the players pack(retail was over $40), $5 players fee for Flyboy and $4 for the PDGA. rec only paid $40 vs. $60 for all the other AM divisions. The math adds up to 5 Rec players at $6 left after fees or $30.We bumped it up to $35.

Third-Only divisions with 6 ore more players had trophies ordered. The Pro Females, Rec, and Advanced Grandmasters had less than that thus no trophy.

Fourth-You saw the amount of help I had and I was doing my best to move things along, but was pressured from many people to just get their vouchers and leave. I usually have an awards ceremony that includes all players and not just the winners.

There won't be a Rec. division next year.

Thanks everyone for the negative comments. It is very appreciated and makes taking time off and spare time that I have(which is not much) to help run this event seem worth it. Won't see you next year.

Grease,

First and foremost thank you for your time and effort. It was truly a fun filled weekend. I know you put allot of effort in to this and is by no means an easy task. Thank you again.

That being said I would also like to add, I heard allot of statements of shock on the pay out through the crowd not just Hendrson. It was not with the tone of complaints but more not understanding.
I myself did not understand until your post. I would like to thank Henderson for bringing it up. If it was not for that I would still be confused, due to the few tournaments I have seen, payed better and I did not understand why this being an A tier event. As far as the trophy and the awards ceremony. First I would like to address the ceremony. Shame on any players putting pressure on you to hurry up so they can leave. We all know the drill and I think we should be more than willing to hang out to congratulate the players for their well deserved recognition. I have been in last place in many tournaments and stayed to support those who did play well . This being my very first 1st place win I would of like to seen the excitement that I have witnessed in the past, However I now understand that you had allot of whiners wanting to leave and you had to make a decision being by yourself and all.I would of like to had a trophy being my first win ,But that will have to be another time (when I win Intermediate next year) . I know every one has an opinion but I can buy plastic cant buy a trophy. Well I guess i could.... but would would not be the same . by the way that was a sweet player pack. I watched the video as soon as i got home.
Thank you for everything. PS I know Henderson and he was not meaneing anything personal he was just giving feedback that he thought was important. I heard several people comment just not to you. He felt you should know, and due to that I now know and completely understand what happen. If you ever need any help let me know. Thanks again see you at the next event.

[grease]

Richard, congrats on the win. Mr. Henderson, nothing personal. I met both of you and shook your hands with smiles on you faces even after the awards.

[Henderson]

Richard, congrats on the win. Mr. Henderson, nothing personal. I met both of you and shook your hands with smiles on you faces even after the awards.

once again I sincerely want to thank you and everyone involved/helped with this awesome event. I haven't helped out at any tourney's to date, but if you see me at one and want me to help just ask... I don't know everyone on the "scene" so it is impossible for me to know if you have help or not.

[i2rt]

My comments on all the comments....

I hear everyone saying "If you just would have ask I would have helped", personally I don't call that volunteering, I call it making the TD beg for mercy.

Please people, if you want to help, then help, don't wait until the TD melts down and then say "if you just would have ask, I would have helped." Volunteer means exactly that.

The workload for this tournament was the highest I have ever seen and I just got done helping with the 2010 Pro Worlds. I WILL be back next year to help, not play, because I love this event as much as any I have been a part of.

Come on 2012 AO we are ready for you.

[i2rt]

So after my last post I am going to ask (beg) for some help.

All I heard all weekend from PROs and AMs alike was that FlyBoy is an incredible experience. "Flyboy exceeds the hype" says it all. If you feel that way and really mean it, please show it by posting a review on DGCR.

I don't and I am sure Kelly doesn't want anyone to throw fluff at the course. Be honest and sincere in what you write.

I mean really, how many places like this do you think there are in the world? If the place had permanent tees I think it would detract from the aesthetics of the course. Throw in all the positives and I want to give it a 5.5 rating but they won't let me.

The best way for you to keep FlyBoy flying is to promote it and the Bed and Breakfast to the general public.

Thank you for your support.

[DaltonDiscMan]

After playing this w/e, I need some help. On hole 5 at F.B. & holes 9 and 13 at Moseley, the tee pads were on the designated O.B.(walking path). I assume this is legal (I've played black 13 for as long as I can remember). Something about it seems counter-intuitive to me. Is this specifically addressed in the rule book?

[billnchristy]

The rules say that you can never throw from OB so in these cases I would assume they are considered an island of not OB.

In the case of FB #5 (I dont know JP Moseley) the road may be OB for other holes but it is kind of pointless to be OB for that hole so you can probably solve the problem and just say it isn't OB in this case.

[rpetty1800]

My comments on all the comments....

I hear everyone saying "I you just would have ask I would have helped", personally I don't call that volunteering, I call it making the TD beg for mercy.

Please people, if you want to help, then help, don't wait until the TD melts down and then say "if you just would have ask, I would have helped." Volunteer means exactly that.

The workload for this tournament was the highest I have ever seen and I just got done helping with the 2010 Pro Worlds. I WILL be back next year to help, not play, because I love this event as much as any I have been a part of.

Come on 2012 AO we are ready for you.

i2rt,

Point well taken. I am a member of ACI (Alatoona Charities). We put on pioneer days once a year on labor day (use to be in Acworth now in cartisville). The event draws more than 20,000 people through the weekend. It could not happen without our volunteers. I know what it is like to beg for help but, I will if I have too. I will offer my assistance in the future. I am new to the sport but, I can help some where. Thanks again for the great weekend.

[dandaman]

After playing this w/e, I need some help. On hole 5 at F.B. & holes 9 and 13 at Moseley, the tee pads were on the designated O.B.(walking path). I assume this is legal (I've played black 13 for as long as I can remember). Something about it seems counter-intuitive to me. Is this specifically addressed in the rule book?

Not sure about the rule book. But as stated in an earlier post concerning JP Moseley Park:

The walking paths that are throughout the course play as man-made creeks. Completely surrounded by asphalt is OB. Exceptions to that rule are the gold tees on # 9 and 11, the black tee on #13 and the drop zone on #11.

[DavidSauls]

The rules say that you can never throw from OB so in these cases I would assume they are considered an island of not OB.

In the case of FB #5 (I dont know JP Moseley) the road may be OB for other holes but it is kind of pointless to be OB for that hole so you can probably solve the problem and just say it isn't OB in this case.

Rulebook says the teepad is always inbounds, even if surrounded by O.B.

[Here4Beer]

After playing this w/e, I need some help. On hole 5 at F.B. & holes 9 and 13 at Moseley, the tee pads were on the designated O.B.(walking path). I assume this is legal (I've played black 13 for as long as I can remember). Something about it seems counter-intuitive to me. Is this specifically addressed in the rule book?

Not sure what the confusion is . Paved pads are normally better than non-paved surfaces. At F.B., the road is part of a nice community where you can't go chunking down slabs of concrete for DG. #5 pad is nicely placed IMO. Perhaps you could think of it as an equivalent to casual water if that helps.

To answer your rule book question, see http://www.pdga.com/rules/80401-special-conditions
A. Rules governing special conditions that may exist on the course shall be clearly defined and disseminated to all players prior to the start of the tournament. All special conditions shall be covered in the players' meeting. Each player is responsible for adhering to all points covered in the player's meeting.

[DaltonDiscMan]

After playing this w/e, I need some help. On hole 5 at F.B. & holes 9 and 13 at Moseley, the tee pads were on the designated O.B.(walking path). I assume this is legal (I've played black 13 for as long as I can remember). Something about it seems counter-intuitive to me. Is this specifically addressed in the rule book?

Not sure what the confusion is . Paved pads are normally better than non-paved surfaces. At F.B., the road is part of a nice community where you can't go chunking down slabs of concrete for DG. #5 pad is nicely placed IMO. Perhaps you could think of it as an equivalent to casual water if that helps.

To answer your rule book question, see http://www.pdga.com/rules/80401-special-conditions
A. Rules governing special conditions that may exist on the course shall be clearly defined and disseminated to all players prior to the start of the tournament. All special conditions shall be covered in the players' meeting. Each player is responsible for adhering to all points covered in the player's meeting.

There is no confusion on my part. I was just thinking about it last night and I spent plenty of time O.B. this w/e and the thought about the walking paths crossed my mind but Dan is exactly right, it was covered in a previous posting(how many run-on sentences did I just put together?). My apologies!!!

[nixonrocks]

I know the clips are on YouTube, but are they gonna make this into a Clash DVD available for purchase?

[dandaman]

Am I the only one having trouble viewing the you tube videos? They keep coming back as they are "private"

[i2rt]

I know the clips are on YouTube, but are they gonna make this into a Clash DVD available for purchase?

Yes it will be a video...in about 6 months.
Please tell me where you have seen FlyBoy Clash video. I would like to see what there is out there.

[nixonrocks]

I know the clips are on YouTube, but are they gonna make this into a Clash DVD available for purchase?

Yes it will be a video...in about 6 months.
Please tell me where you have seen FlyBoy Clash video. I would like to see what there is out there.

Thanks for the info. The only clips on YouTube is from Saturday.

[i2rt]

Brad Meier's AO pictures are here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bm_photos/ ... 389227705/

[Dr. Manhattan]

Am I the only one having trouble viewing the you tube videos? They keep coming back as they are "private"

I think the only way to see it now is on the PDGA website

[Fly Boy]

To see Video of the 2011 AO go to clashdvd.com and watch it in full screen.
Kelly

[Mike D]

If you watched the whole video...

Quote of the day from Billy Crump.

"Don't be a Bootsie"

I think a bumper sticker is in order!!

[Wookie]

I was noticing he quit again after one round. Why in the world would you pay an entry fee and then just walk away? Just don't make no sense...

[Woodrow]

I believe(from rumor) it was a DQ, not a quit. About time.

[i2rt]

I believe(from rumor) it was a DQ, not a quit. About time.

Correct

[Redan Randy]

"Don't be a Bootsie"

I was lucky enough to get to see the whole blow up with my HD binoculars, perched up at 12's tee area at Moseley. After missing the island on 11, like most people did, he was pretty tight faced when he got to hole 12 and blew up on the green after missing a fairly short putt for par. He appeared to drive on 13. Not sure when he quit, but that is a long walk after that situation. I did manage to get a pic of him right after the blow up though...........

[Mike D]

" Don't be a BOOTSIE "

[dandaman]

" Don't be a BOOTSIE "

Might make a nice hot stamp.

[keith johnson]

First off let me say, I had an extremely good time this past weekend. Flyboy was amazing and I hope we can have more events there! J.P. was everything I expected. Moose did an outstanding job keeping us fed! I could go on and on, but I just want to thank everyone who had a part in putting on this event.

Complaints.....

Now I just wanted to add in.... This being a "A-tier" event, and even though there was only 5 Rec players, I am sorely unhappy with both the payout (combined first and second was less than one persons entry fee!?) and we can't even blame it on 1st place getting a trophy... because Rec didn't get one.
Beyond that, the so called players award ceremony was something I would expect to see at a Sub "C-Tier" event.. There was absolutely no excitement at all... With 2 or 3 divisions going into sudden death I expected a lot more. Maybe it was my fault for expecting more... maybe not.. I will say this though, EVERY Single other "B" and "C" tier event I have participated in (7 to date) have announced scores for the pay outs or at least the top 3 and told how close the race was. This was my first look into an "A" tier event, and maybe all the negatives would have been worth it if my weekend was a week prior or later so I could watch the pros throw the same course I would/have played. I am not impressed at all with how this panned out. Hopefully someone will see this and consider making some adjustments to make it a more memorable event (in the positive instead of the negative)

From an outsider to the AM side of the A/O point of view:
For the last few years Rand has had someone as the "TD" of the AM side who had little to no experience in running Events of any size, let alone an A-Tier or NT as it was once.
When Greg was chosen for this year, it seemed like this would eliminate any of the past issues as Greg has had years of experience in running and helping out in events and he usually knows how to rally the troops to help out.
It is sad to see that either no one or not enough people were rallied by Greg ahead of time or the people he counted on to show up and help didn't - but whatever the case it's too bad that it ended up (according to your viewpoint) as something that was not what was expected by the players involved.

Contrary to the slamming you got on here for voicing an opinion - it is necessary to sometimes hear and see the thoughts from newer Event players as the only way they will KEEP PLAYING and supporting Events is if they are not treated as a nuisance instead of a paying customer.

It is agreed that alot of the entry fees for all of the divisions went to overhead and fees, but it could and SHOULD have been disseminated on the AM side, the way it was on the PRO side by Rand when he told us all Sunday morning that the payouts were what they were, but that the venues being played would be worth the lowered payouts.
And as was seen posted in this thread (as well as heard by those of us at FLYBOY for the awards ceremony) each and EVERYONE of the players called up to get paid said the same thing - thanks to Kelly and his family for their hospitality and thanks to Rand for having the A/O at these courses. It's too bad that it seems like the AM side did not experience the same "feel good" Event that the PRO side did.

Just my outsiders opinion,
Keith

[DaltonDiscMan]

In the Am players pack, we had a copy of the 2009 A.O. I just put my copy in to watch it and it is telling me that it is disc #2, Sunday Action. I didn't realize there were 2 dvd's. Anyone know where I can get disc 1?

[Dr. Manhattan]

In the Am players pack, we had a copy of the 2009 A.O. I just put my copy in to watch it and it is telling me that it is disc #2, Sunday Action. I didn't realize there were 2 dvd's. Anyone know where I can get disc 1?

Half the players got disc 1 and half disc 2. So you will have to borrow one from a fellow player and maybe trade yours for his /hers or go to the clash website and buy one.

[NathanielLR88]

http://www.usdgc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Atlanta-Open-Performance-Leaderboard.pdf

THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!
and i see a promblem maybe..

i see no MA2's on this list. AT ALL
MA2 was suppose to be a qualifying division. and i dont see any names from INT at all. so your telling me no one even made the top 89? ya something seems fishy.

[Dr. Manhattan]

http://www.usdgc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Atlanta-Open-Performance-Leaderboard.pdf

THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!
and i see a promblem maybe..

i see no MA2's on this list. AT ALL
MA2 was suppose to be a qualifying division. and i dont see any names from INT at all. so your telling me no one even made the top 89? ya something seems fishy.

Which division is that? Also it doesnt have anything to do with where you placed it has to do with how much over your rating you played. You could have finished dead last but if your rounds were consistently higher you would have qualified.

[dandaman]

Tough to say (because so few people have a rating near mine) but I might of qualified. I'd much rather say that I did qualify though.

Rand- any chance of seeing the Intermediate players rounds go through? I was hoping to qualify so that I could play the famed USDGC course.

[NathanielLR88]

i hope they go through. i know i didnt make it (well shouldnt have, but still got a chance) that was the deal to start with. all div. except rec and jr's get a chance at the USDGC. so i hope to see an updated list.

[Wookie]

It looks like to me that the MA2 group didn't have anyone qualify because there is nobody that shot really well. Sure they won or what not, but nobody was under par and the ratings for the guys that are in the top of the division are pretty high. I mean the first place guy is a 924 so he would have probably had to shoot a lot better than a +1 to get in. The second place person was 6 shots off the lead so that's not a good sign moving down the list when you see the scores start going up from there. The guys that did qualify have very low ratings and then shot many strokes under par so they had the biggest swing in the scores.

I am just guessing though. Maybe the numbers haven't been entered??

[i2rt]

Tough to say (because so few people have a rating near mine) but I might of qualified. I'd much rather say that I did qualify though.

Rand- any chance of seeing the Intermediate players rounds go through? I was hoping to qualify so that I could play the famed USDGC course.

The TD report (including all divisions) was submitted to the USDGC on the 4/19. I think Wookie may be on track with his post.

Edited: After reviewing the scores for those that qualified, it may be an issue with the projected(based on rating)-to-actual scores. I will send Jonathan Poole an email and ask him to take a look.

[NathanielLR88]

i know alot of MA2 guys didnt make it but i just looked at one of the guys that played MA1 and i beat him. but he still made the list of 84. with looking at a player who is 885(Bill P #3) (im 881) with his projections i would have made the top 15. i shot atleast 7down in projections. so ya there is something wrong with the list.

[$Dollar$]

The list is supposed to show EVERYONE that was eligible to qualify. That should include MA2 and it does NOT on their list. I'm not sure if anyone would have qualified from ma2, but they weren't even factored in. It looks like at least Bryan Huff should have made it.

[robdickens74]

I guess none of the ma2s shot enough over their projected scores to make it is all i can figure after looking at it

[$Dollar$]

I guess none of the ma2s shot enough over their projected scores to make it is all i can figure after looking at it

What list are you looking at? The one I saw does NOT have MA2 on it at all. The list should show everyone that played the same layout.

[NathanielLR88]

I guess none of the ma2s shot enough over their projected scores to make it is all i can figure after looking at it

i would have ..like i said i would have shot a total of -7..and been 2strokes from a invite(as it stands now). so yes the MA2's did shoot well enough. the 1st round at fb (projected 111) shot a 112, JP (70 prject) 68 and 64. so yes!

[Bhuff]

The list is supposed to show EVERYONE that was eligible to qualify. That should include MA2 and it does NOT on their list. I'm not sure if anyone would have qualified from ma2, but they weren't even factored in. It looks like at least Bryan Huff should have made it.

yeah I like what Dollar said...

[rpetty1800]

I don't understand why they did this anyways.... Are they trying to create another college football system. I have been in competitive sports all my life. competition is broke up into division and the best competitor in that division wins. I hope all this confusion and rigmarole causes them to go back to the old format. Lets take a min and imagine other sports doing the same thing.

UFC... Well Lidale K.Oed him in the first round but the guys handicap said he only needed to last 1 min so he wins.... sorry Chuck Lidale.
Baseball.... Well the Braves and the Mets made it to the world series but the braves only won by 10 runs they had to win by 12 to win.
Golf .... Sorry tiger but you are to good you have to win by 15 strokes.
Nascar.... Well Dale You have to win by 2 laps or you lose...
any Olympic sport....

The list can go on and on... College football is the only sport I can think of where you can win and lose at the same time (IE go undefeated and still place 3rd) and most people I know thinks it is stupid.
I know one thing I really enjoyed watching the best players battling it out last year , and will miss watching it this year. I was planning a road trip this year to watch the USDGC. I have no desire now.
I am not saying not have a big handicap golf tournament thats fine But to replace and call it the United States Disc Golf Championship....

Anyways that is my two cents....

[Henderson]

Anyways that is my two cents....

That was at least four cents.. can I get my change back?

But I do agree with the point! It will be sad to see someone given 50 strokes "beat" the top pro's of the sport.

[Wookie]

I think they are just doing this every other year, just like they are doing the "real" USDGC every other year as well as the Presidents Cup or whatever it's called when we compete against Europe. Or something like that...

[richardhead]

Lets take a minute and imagine other sports doing the same thing.

Baseball.... Well the Braves and the Mets made it to the world series but the braves only won by 10 runs they had to win by 12 to win.

The Braves and The Mets! That would be totally impossible, unless you plan to do away with the American League entirely. Just sayin. lol Go Cubs!!!

[i2rt]

I just got off the phone with Jonathan Poole and he agrees that there may be an error. He thinks that the AM2's could have been left off by mistake due to confusion over who played what course layout. I am putting together a list of people in AM2 that should have been included (850+ rating) along with their round scores. He will pass the info along to the number crunchers and get back to me soon. If you are eligible then you will get the invite.
Jonathan ask me to tell everyone he is sorry for the confusion. This is a new system and it is still being tweaked. This is the first tournament with the issues we ran into regarding 1 round of 27 and 2 rounds of 18. They had to do a lot of up front work to even enter the data.

That said...I find it interesting that you compare the handicap system to everything except the sport we are most closely associated with, golf

As for the USDGC making decisions about how it wants to run it's event, I wonder how much time/money you as individuals have spent supporting the event. I can assure you that as a collective whole you have done less than any one individual directly associated with the event.
During the AO I spoke at length with Jonathan about what the USDGC is doing. I think he probably would like to see the name changed as much as anyone but the legal and financial ramifications are enormous due to their ties to Winthrop, Innova and all the other sponsors. I am sure that 2 names will evolve over time even if unofficial. Maybe USDGC Gold and USDGC Blue.

Personally I am amazed that disc golf goes anywhere with all the negative attitudes (whining) every time someone tries to do something new or innovative. It is a miracle that we aren't still throwing a Frisbee towards a telephone pole. If you want disc golf your way then do something besides sitting behind a keyboard making others peoples corn flakes soggy.
Here is a thought, get out and run, volunteer or sponsor a tournament. Then you will actually have some veracity when speaking your mind.

I know what you guys are saying "there goes Bill being a jerk again"...maybe so but you guys act like you didn't get a cookie today at the daycare center. It takes time, commitment and hard work to grow the sport. Many (and I do mean many) of you haven't invested any of those things.

[billnchristy]

Lets take a minute and imagine other sports doing the same thing.

Baseball.... Well the Braves and the Mets made it to the world series but the braves only won by 10 runs they had to win by 12 to win.

The Braves and The Mets! That would be totally impossible, unless you plan to do away with the American League entirely. Just sayin. lol Go Cubs!!!

Probably still more likely than Junior winning by 2 laps.

[dandaman]

I just got off the phone with Jonathan Poole and he agrees that there may be an error. He thinks that the AM2's could have been left off by mistake due to confusion over who played what course layout. I am putting together a list of people in AM2 that should have been included (850+ rating) along with their round scores. He will pass the info along to the number crunchers and get back to me soon. If you are eligible then you will get the invite.
Jonathan ask me to tell everyone he is sorry for the confusion. This is a new system and it is still being tweaked. This is the first tournament with the issues we ran into regarding 1 round of 27 and 2 rounds of 18. They had to do a lot of up front work to even enter the data.

That said...I find it interesting that you compare the handicap system to everything except the sport we are most closely associated with, golf

As for the USDGC making decisions about how it wants to run it's event, I wonder how much time/money you as individuals have spent supporting the event. I can assure you that as a collective whole you have done less than any one individual directly associated with the event.
During the AO I spoke at length with Jonathan about what the USDGC is doing. I think he probably would like to see the name changed as much as anyone but the legal and financial ramifications are enormous due to their ties to Winthrop, Innova and all the other sponsors. I am sure that 2 names will evolve over time even if unofficial. Maybe USDGC Gold and USDGC Blue.

Personally I am amazed that disc golf goes anywhere with all the negative attitudes (whining) every time someone tries to do something new or innovative. It is a miracle that we aren't still throwing a Frisbee towards a telephone pole. If you want disc golf your way then do something besides sitting behind a keyboard making others peoples corn flakes soggy.
Here is a thought, get out and run, volunteer or sponsor a tournament. Then you will actually have some veracity when speaking your mind.

I know what you guys are saying "there goes Bill being a jerk again"...maybe so but you guys act like you didn't get a cookie today at the daycare center. It takes time, commitment and hard work to grow the sport. Many (and I do mean many) of you haven't invested any of those things.

I liked this post.

[Henderson]

...
That said...I find it interesting that you compare the handicap system to everything except the sport we are most closely associated with, golf

UFC... Well Lidale K.Oed him in the first round but the guys handicap said he only needed to last 1 min so he wins.... sorry Chuck Lidale.
Baseball.... Well the Braves and the Mets made it to the world series but the braves only won by 10 runs they had to win by 12 to win.
Golf .... Sorry tiger but you are to good you have to win by 15 strokes.
Nascar.... Well Dale You have to win by 2 laps or you lose...
any Olympic sport....

I guess just like in most aspects in life... people read what they want to read... see the red text up there?

but why demean a prestigious event in the meant-time? If the major sponsors wanted to keep something annual.. keep it annual, don't make it bi-annual and float some other competition "in the mean-time" and call it the same. Use the idea and come up with another event with a new name.. like the "pro handicap challenge"

one last point...

Personally I am amazed that disc golf goes anywhere with all the negative attitudes (whining) every time someone tries to do something new or innovative. It is a miracle that we aren't still throwing a Frisbee towards a telephone pole. If you want disc golf your way then do something besides sitting behind a keyboard making others peoples corn flakes soggy.
Here is a thought, get out and run, volunteer or sponsor a tournament. Then you will actually have some veracity when speaking your mind.

I know what you guys are saying "there goes Bill being a jerk again"...maybe so but you guys act like you didn't get a cookie today at the daycare center. It takes time, commitment and hard work to grow the sport. Many (and I do mean many) of you haven't invested any of those things.

I honestly thought comments, questions, new ideas, ect was how any idea be it a business/sport or whatever helps it to grow. lets not get it wrong though, I don't agree with the "piss on the guys already playing" mentality to improving/growing the sport... there are other ways.

and no, I personally do not think your being a jerk, that is your opinion. I just hope some of the ideas people float are actually given some honest consideration though.

[i2rt]

Sorry I jumped on everybody for all of the complaining/suggesting. That is mostly based on the fact that all the complaining/suggesting is fruitless on the ADGO site. If you have issues then you need to contact Innova/Jonathan Poole. He is very interested in your ideas and comments. I just hope if you contact him you have your issues well thought out and attempt to present them in a constructive manner.

jp@innovadiscs.com
I will provide his phone # to anyone in a private message.
I am sure he gets enough calls without all the spammers that stalk these sites.

Jonathan is reviewing the information I sent him for the AM2's and having it added to the AO calculations.
Definitely a plus for the AM2's. The down side may be that several positions towards the bottom of the group of 10 that were originally shown as qualified may fall off the list.

The official invite is your only guarantee that you are in. Jonathan plans to call each qualified player to talk with them directly. Don't assume because your name is on a list that you are in.

Lots of info on the USDGC home page
http://www.usdgc.com/

This is the most important document.
http://www.usdgc.com/wp-content/uploads ... ifying.pdf

Some of the wording in Section 2 is a little confusing since you have to receive an invite/call before you can apply and that probably takes a week or so after the event. Longer in the case of the AO. At this time Jonathan plans to start the clock when he talks to you directly.

As I get more information I will pass it along.

[gvan]

Sorry I jumped on everybody for all of the complaining/suggesting. That is mostly based on the fact that all the complaining/suggesting is fruitless on the ADGO site. If you have issues then you need to contact Innova/Jonathan Poole. He is very interested in your ideas and comments.

It's not fruitless. Having a local discussion allows people to hear both sides of an argument and form a reasonable opinion (without bothering Jonathan Poole). My initial opinion of this event has been swayed to some degree by what I've seen here.

Here is a thought, get out and run, volunteer or sponsor a tournament. Then you will actually have some veracity when speaking your mind.

I have done all three. I don't think my opinion should hold any more weight than people who have not. I like to think I am helping grow the sport in some way, but so are the people that just come play in tournaments. They are the ones that bring their friends and family in.

I do agree with you that there is a lot of negativity toward change in the sport. You will find that in other sports as well, but it does seem pretty strong in Disc Golf.

[D-Wiz]

I'll throw in -0.02 cents. The name thing doesn't seem to be that strong of a debate issue. It's their tournament, so they can continue to call it the USDGC. Squirrel fest/squirrel soiree doesn't really matter as long as we get another tourney at Redan. Meeks Madness will still be MM even if we switch it to a doubles event. As far as disrespecting past winners by calling it the USDGC, that doesn't hold much water either. The way the player's are treated, the payout, the ring, trophy and everything else, I doubt any of them have ever felt slighted by the USDGC and its staff and it would take a lot more than a name change to take away from the accomplishment and the way the winners are treated.

I think many of the top players will continue to play in the odd numbered years, so you can still see the best at Winthrop Gold from a spectator standpoint. The main difference is that this format opens the doors for anybody with minimum qualifications that plays well in a qualifier. I'd imagine most golfers would give their left nut to have a chance to play against Tiger in a tournament. Can you imagine the support and frenzy if golfers were given this opportunity from the PGA?

Innova is making this experience available to many in the sport that would otherwise never have a chance to play against the top players at one of the best tournaments. Plus, how many of the regional pros do you think have a chance at the "real" USDGC? There are about 10-15 touring pros that have a chance at the title no matter who the rest of the field is. If anything, this format could garner more interest from a larger percentage of the d-golf population from a spectator standpoint, because one of your buddies might be in it.

As far as the numbers and handicap system, (and forgive me because I haven't looked at the list too closely), but I think some of the top dogs were "in the hunt" with their projected scores. I don't think the USDGC staff will make it "easy" for anyone to win handicap or not and at the end of the day, if you have some of the big boys in the final group on Sunday and an underdog or two, then hee-haw, we might have another exciting final round at the Masters. Go Dustin Perry! (and congrats Dr. Manhattan on potentially getting invited)

[rpetty1800]

I have been involved/member of Alatoona Charities for over 20 years it is a local non profit organization that puts on an annual pioneer days festival in Cartisvile use to be at Acworth beach. The event has carnavale rides, food, arts and crafts vendors, fireworks and concerts. It is member and volunteer ran and has more than 20,000 people come through the gates over labor day weekend. I say this because I do know what it is like to pour you hart and soul into an event for absulutly nothing but the enjoyment of others. We listen to customers feedback personaly, through emails, via message boards, and phone calls. we review them and decide if it is something we can change or want to change. See we do not call it complaing or whining it is our customers honest FEEDBACK.I love this sport and feel like my 2 cents may be important since it is how I honestly feel and stands a good chance if i feel that way maby someone else does too. Here is the response to every feedback/course review I have posted so far. You don't volenteer so stop whining. Well I am a paying customer planing over 20 tournaments this year and a consumer of disc golf products. I thought that might be important enough to listen to my feedback and by the way listing does not mean agreeing with. as far as messaging vs emailing Jonathan I would hope that someone of power reviews these boards and chanels it up.

I understand where you are coming from on the name it is there event. Now I know we are not golf and I don't follow golf closely but I think if they changed the masters to another format and did not change the name then you are disrespecting past winners. to my understanding Golf uses the same format year after year for the masters it creates an aura around the event. I have heard the announcers say during the masters "That has not been accomplished since (Player name) did it in the 78 masters." When I think USDGC I think best player in the US. In Golf Tiger was unstoppable for a long time, but he was the best so he deserved it. What he wouldn't deserve is to be handicap because of it. The USDGC was an open championship. Championships should never be compromised by leveling the filed with handicaps.

I would love to play with The Champ..... Not so much against with a handicap. I think with the same qualifiers but in Pro Am doubles format would be awesome...

The selfishness of the disc golf community is what makes it great. The versatility of the sport is what makes it incomparable to any other sport on the planet. No other sport can you play for as inexpensive or as long. from what 5 to 70+ year window.....Wow. No other sport seems to have the sportsmanship that i have seen. although their maby some out there. While playling in a turny competiros will help will my disc off a badline we all been there as you release the disc and the players behind you get stable get stable ...... Truly a great sport. Now if we could learn to take feedback with humility and understanding.

[Bhuff]

The actual usdgc round won't be handicapped will it..? Everyone starts even. And if you are invited, I'm assuming there is no adv field, you must play open?

[i2rt]

I will leave the rest of the issues alone for now. The real discussion is about the USDGC, who qualified and various issues some people have with the format.
I am currently reviewing the data that Jonathan has compiled with the inclusion of the AM2's. I should have an answer back to him within the hour. Then it is up to him to discriminate that information. Some will be happy and some won't but this is a fair and balance handicapping system that is based on course SSA and an individuals rating as of the tournament date.

When I said to contact Jonathan I wasn't speaking from opinion. I have talked to Jonathan for several hours over the last few weeks. EVER time he says how much he wants to hear from you the players. Yesterday he ask me to post his email and phone number but I felt that the phone number was something that could be handled on an individual basis. There is no one out there that is more informed or able to do more to address your issues.

So I will say it again...PLEASE WRITE OR CALL JONATHAN POOLE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT USDGC.

jp@innovadiscs.com
jonathan.poole@innovadiscgolf.com
seven-zero-four-seven-two-four-one-three-five-two

[richardhead]

The actual usdgc round won't be handicapped will it..? Everyone starts even. And if you are invited, I'm assuming there is no adv field, you must play open?

There will only be one division and your scores will be handicapped. At least that's my understanding of what I have read on the PDGA message board.

[Dr. Manhattan]

I will leave the rest of the issues alone for now. The real discussion is about the USDGC, who qualified and various issues some people have with the format.
I am currently reviewing the data that Jonathan has compiled with the inclusion of the AM2's. I should have an answer back to him within the hour. Then it is up to him to discriminate that information. Some will be happy and some won't but this is a fair and balance handicapping system that is based on course SSA and an individuals rating as of the tournament date.

When I said to contact Jonathan I wasn't speaking from opinion. I have talked to Jonathan for several hours over the last few weeks. EVER time he says how much he wants to hear from you the players. Yesterday he ask me to post his email and phone number but I felt that the phone number was something that could be handled on an individual basis. There is no one out there that is more informed or able to do more to address your issues.

So I will say it again...PLEASE WRITE OR CALL JONATHAN POOLE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT USDGC.

jp@innovadiscs.com
jonathan.poole@innovadiscgolf.com
seven-zero-four-seven-two-four-one-three-five-two

The first thing I heard about this new USDGC was that Innova had decided to do this to promote disc golf in Europe so via the internet i sent a message to the PDGA which was received by Poole. I asked him if this was the case and he said no it wasnt. then I found a press release from innova stating that it was indeed the case (which who knows what is true anymore). I sent this to Poole to let him know that according to Innova it was the case. He then responded saying no they were completely seperate. This with the press release from Innova provided to him. I am glad you put his information up and i will take another oppertunity to tell him what a terrible idea this is and hope everyone else does too.

[Dr. Manhattan]

I'll throw in -0.02 cents. The name thing doesn't seem to be that strong of a debate issue. It's their tournament, so they can continue to call it the USDGC. Squirrel fest/squirrel soiree doesn't really matter as long as we get another tourney at Redan. Meeks Madness will still be MM even if we switch it to a doubles event. As far as disrespecting past winners by calling it the USDGC, that doesn't hold much water either. The way the player's are treated, the payout, the ring, trophy and everything else, I doubt any of them have ever felt slighted by the USDGC and its staff and it would take a lot more than a name change to take away from the accomplishment and the way the winners are treated.

I think many of the top players will continue to play in the odd numbered years, so you can still see the best at Winthrop Gold from a spectator standpoint. The main difference is that this format opens the doors for anybody with minimum qualifications that plays well in a qualifier. I'd imagine most golfers would give their left nut to have a chance to play against Tiger in a tournament. Can you imagine the support and frenzy if golfers were given this opportunity from the PGA?

Innova is making this experience available to many in the sport that would otherwise never have a chance to play against the top players at one of the best tournaments. Plus, how many of the regional pros do you think have a chance at the "real" USDGC? There are about 10-15 touring pros that have a chance at the title no matter who the rest of the field is. If anything, this format could garner more interest from a larger percentage of the d-golf population from a spectator standpoint, because one of your buddies might be in it.

As far as the numbers and handicap system, (and forgive me because I haven't looked at the list too closely), but I think some of the top dogs were "in the hunt" with their projected scores. I don't think the USDGC staff will make it "easy" for anyone to win handicap or not and at the end of the day, if you have some of the big boys in the final group on Sunday and an underdog or two, then hee-haw, we might have another exciting final round at the Masters. Go Dustin Perry! (and congrats Dr. Manhattan on potentially getting invited)

I know you mean that is a nice way Mashburn but I would never go like I said. Also I was at the USDGC last year and a ton of the players that I talked to had big issue with what was being done. They were also upset with Stroke plus distance and many stated "We already have a rule book so why dont we just use that". So I have heard first hand that a lot of the pros arent down with this even if some smile and act like it is all good out in public. Imagine if you were Nikko or Feldberg or Ken 1040+ rated. What are those guys going to have to do to win? 4 rounds at 1080+? Next to impossible for them to win. Also they had an oppertunity to win 12K last year but now that it is a Am tournement....no payout so you know that none of them really care about playing in this. As far as a chance to play against the top players...that is a privelage afforded to those who put in the effort and become one of the best. We dont get to play football with the pros on super bowl sunday every other year do we? Or in the World series do we? They are cheapening the USDGC and therefore professional disc golf. The fact that not just anyone can get into this tournament was what made it prestegious and an honour if you ever did get in. The fact that you had to be one of the best in the world to win was what made it matter. Now it will be won by someone rated in the low 900's who is local and is going to bag this thing and will be able to call themselves a USDGC champion...it is a joke.

[dandaman]

If you were invited to play and were able to, would you?

[richardhead]

Personally, I would play. I hope they keep the stroke+distance rule in effect this year. There's no way in hell that a 900-950 rated player will have the skill set to navigate this course and score well. Especially if they have to play with stroke and distance. There's a reason that only a handful of players have won this event. Just look at the consistency of play between Climo, Schultz, Feldberg, Nikko, Schusterick. Granted the last 2 are from a different breed of player, but they're smart enough to take there lumps and to attack when the time is right. I don't think the handicapping will have much affect on the Top 5-10, after that you will start seeing some of the lower rated players sprinkled in.

[Henderson]

Personally, I would play. I hope they keep the stroke+distance rule in effect this year. There's no way in hell that a 900-950 rated player will have the skill set to navigate this course and score well. Especially if they have to play with stroke and distance. There's a reason that only a handful of players have won this event. Just look at the consistency of play between Climo, Schultz, Feldberg, Nikko, Schusterick. Granted the last 2 are from a different breed of player, but they're smart enough to take there lumps and to attack when the time is right. I don't think the handicapping will have much affect on the Top 5-10, after that you will start seeing some of the lower rated players sprinkled in.

a 900-950 rated player wont need the skill to navigate the course well... the handicap will navigate for him. That's the definition of handicapping, to level the playing field based on skill or lack there of. Lets use the Flyboy round at the Atlanta Open as an example... the best 2 scores from the pros were 75 and 77 both from 1000 plus rated pro's. In the advanced division it was 87 and 90, from a 970 rated and a non pdga player. Intermediate was 96 and 97 from 920ish rated players. a 20 stroke handicap for the intermediate players put both of them in the top, and 10 strokes for the advances put them in the top.

besides, your last comment makes no since...if handicapping doesn't have much affect on the Top 5-10 why even do it. So the Pro's can view this as a "charity event" seeing how they won't take home a payout? I am sure there are more worthy charity events they would enjoy participating at without turning the USDGC into one.

As I understand it, the intent was to grow the sport, get more people at the USDGC, and get more interest. I can think of several ways right off the top of my head to do that without compromising the "Championship" caliber of the event.

[D-Wiz]

Patrick and Petty, you both have some solid points on the championship, best players, and handicapping. And Patrick, you are right, whatever I write on a message board needs to be read as "d-wiz's nicest voice", because I'm not going to have an angry tone on a message board or in person (maybe a smarta**, but never angry). And I was serious when I congratulated you on making the cut.

I agree with you both on many of your stances, especially when compared to the Masters and the USDGC's prestige. Time will tell on how the event plays out. D-golf is in it's infancy, but I still think Innova has the best interest of the game we love. I don't think they are doing this out of greed. They are some pretty smart cats and think outside of the box on many of their initiatives. D-golf isn't on the national scene yet, so I don't think tweaking the USDGC is going to make or break the sport.

People are just qualifying right now, so I'm not sure if number crunching the ATL Open stats will simulate what happens at the USDGC. They are trying something new and rest assured, come game day, the tournament staff and statisticians will have everything ready to make it a great competitive event. Almost Hall of Fame time!

[Bhuff]

Anxious to see the new "cut" list...

[Jaronshaffer]

The results are in:

1. Dustin Perry
2. Bryan Huff
3. Nick Phillips
4. Bill Poleon
4. Brett Allen
6. Peter Charlton
7. Andy Kloiber
7. Brian Benton
7. Daniel May
7. Nathaniel Rushin

[Bhuff]

SWEEET...now only if my recent tournaments wouldn't go thru before USDGC...

[dandaman]

The results are in:

1. Dustin Perry
2. Bryan Huff
3. Nick Phillips
4. Bill Poleon
4. Brett Allen
6. Peter Charlton
7. Andy Kloiber
7. Brian Benton
7. Daniel May
7. Nathaniel Rushin

"Ahh In like Flint. Thats my favorite moovie."

[Dr. Manhattan]

If you were invited to play and were able to, would you?

Absolutely not. I was on the first qualified list and someone congradulated me on Facebook and I post that I would not be going and that i think it is a meaningless tournament. Also stated above that to attend is to tell Innova that you think this is acceptable. Would not attend.

[Dr. Manhattan]

Personally, I would play. I hope they keep the stroke+distance rule in effect this year. There's no way in hell that a 900-950 rated player will have the skill set to navigate this course and score well. Especially if they have to play with stroke and distance. There's a reason that only a handful of players have won this event. Just look at the consistency of play between Climo, Schultz, Feldberg, Nikko, Schusterick. Granted the last 2 are from a different breed of player, but they're smart enough to take there lumps and to attack when the time is right. I don't think the handicapping will have much affect on the Top 5-10, after that you will start seeing some of the lower rated players sprinkled in.

Actually Schusterick has played anything but consistent of late and he was a longshot to win last year so I think that dispells the whole only 10 or 15 people could win idea. Prior to that event I dont think many would of picked him to win. Climo has had ups and down as well. Look at his rounds from the moccasin lake open. Brad Williams beat him at his own course and he had a sub 1000 round. Dave being the highest rated player didnt make it to the top card last year at the USDGC if memory serves and Schultz was only there for 1 round. Your idea that it wont have an effect is far from the truth. If Nikko or Ken or Dave throw a 1020 rate round that will be 20 points below their rating. Then some guy who is 920 rated gets a 980 round in well he probably just beat them by 10 strokes or more. Last year Climo's rounds were 1039, 1034, 1020 and 1048 so only 1 round was over his current rating. So if some guy is rated 920 and he throws 921, 922 921 and 932 he just beat Ken. How stupid is that?!?! Can you imagine if you were Climo and you got put in that group and Climo throws one shot then has to sit there and wait for this guy to throw 3 or 4 shots (or 10 considering stroke plus distance) and this happens on every hole and then Climo loses to him and doesnt get a pay out after it is all said and done.

[dandaman]

Oh well. You're definetly entitled to your opinion, but I think this idea is great. Perhaps the tournament name should be changed on off years so as to differenate winners of a Pro USDGC and a handicapped USDGC, but I would highly suspect that the tournament atmosphere in either case is going to be absolutely amazing.

I like that they changed it up for this year. It has more of a festival feel to it rather than an ultra exclusive golf tournament. I am more interested in this years USDGC than in previous years.

Yet again Innova succeeds in bringing disc golf to the masses.

[Dr. Manhattan]

Oh well. You're definetly entitled to your opinion, but I think this idea is great. Perhaps the tournament name should be changed on off years so as to differenate winners of a Pro USDGC and a handicapped USDGC, but I would highly suspect that the tournament atmosphere in either case is going to be absolutely amazing.

I like that they changed it up for this year. It has more of a festival feel to it rather than an ultra exclusive golf tournament. I am more interested in this years USDGC than in previous years.

Yet again Innova succeeds in bringing disc golf to the masses.

This highlights the core of this situation for me. I think (and of course I cant put words into your or anyones mouth) that you either want Disc golf to be taken seriously, big prestegious tournements that hightlight the sports best and legitimize this sport, or you want it to be be fun and feel like a festival and just another reason to get together with other golfers and party. ESPN isnt going to show up to film the sports best and its mediocre party and throw stuff around but if it stays big and actually got a real purse in their it could move in a legitimate direction. I realize it isnt going to be like football or golf but it could be taken seriously but definately not if we are trading out the biggest tournament for a festival type gig. Whatever though. It is what it is and I realize that my thoughts are vastly in the minority. I do find it unfortunate though.

[DaltonDiscMan]

Several Random Thoughts/Questions:

1.) Someone stated that if (paraphrasing, I know I can quote but I am referencing several different ppl) an AM is rated a 920 and threw a 980, and Climo threw 20 under his rating, the AM would win. I know Innova is changing some things but are they taking the lowest score out of the equation to compute the winner? Are they going to use the "rating handicap" to calculate the winner? I would imagine that if a 920 throws a 980 and Climo throws a round well below his rating, Climo will still have fewer strokes. I thought the "rating handicap" was just to get more ppl playing.

2.) To Mashburn's point (that's scary to say) about Innova changing things and employing some ppl. who can think outside the box, I was in a meeting today w/our COO and I asked him what Einstein's definition of insanity is? Does it apply here? Maybe.............

3.) Why couldn't Innova have like a Pro-Am like one of the PGA tourneys that is played early on in the season. They have 2 tourneys in one. One tourney is the AM's (John Elway, Tony Romo, several hockey players, etc. are normally pretty strong competitors) and another tourney is the Pro's. Either way, ALOT more important things have to change in the sport to get it close to the national media. I completely understand your point Manhattan and I know you literally don't mean ESPN, but any type of national attention.

4.) I played so bad in the A.O. that if you took my best 18 holes from Fly Boy, and gave me a 27-hole rating, I still wouldn't of came close to qualifying. When I qualify for the USDGC, then you will know there is a major issue.

[dandaman]

This highlights the core of this situation for me. I think (and of course I cant put words into your or anyones mouth) that you either want Disc golf to be taken seriously, big prestegious tournements that hightlight the sports best and legitimize this sport, or you want it to be be fun and feel like a festival and just another reason to get together with other golfers and party. ESPN isnt going to show up to film the sports best and its mediocre party and throw stuff around but if it stays big and actually got a real purse in their it could move in a legitimate direction. I realize it isnt going to be like football or golf but it could be taken seriously but definately not if we are trading out the biggest tournament for a festival type gig.

Well that's the thing about disc golf. As most of us can agree disc golf is still very much in its infancy. While popular among its players it still has fallen short of reaching the conscience of the general masses. Even the head of the PDGA has stated that direction of disc golf should be focused on grassroots. If the top prize was ten times of what it has been payed in the past I still don't think it would garner much attention...at least not in non-disc golf circles

Innova has reached back and made this tournament attainable to those who for all intensive purposes would never be able to qualify. And in the process it has created a controversy that it has not seen before. Disc golf is for the common man, and now even more so. And while I definetly understand the argument on why this shouldn't be done, I can also understand a reason on why it should be.

I am genuinely excited that Innova, the PDGA, and our disc golf community want to continue to see disc golf thrive. Not everything they (we) try will be successful, but then again nothing ventured is nothing gained. I'd almost be willing to bet that this years USDGC will be the most talked about one yet.

[Henderson]

3.) Why couldn't Innova have like a Pro-Am like one of the PGA tourneys that is played early on in the season. They have 2 tourneys in one. One tourney is the AM's (John Elway, Tony Romo, several hockey players, etc. are normally pretty strong competitors) and another tourney is the Pro's. Either way, ALOT more important things have to change in the sport to get it close to the national media. I completely understand your point Manhattan and I know you literally don't mean ESPN, but any type of national attention.

Or why not have a USDGDC ... US Disc Golf "Doubles" Championship on the off years, and let the AM's have a chance to be on a doubles team with (insert your favorite Pro here). THAT would be something I could get behind and support!!

[Dr. Manhattan]

This highlights the core of this situation for me. I think (and of course I cant put words into your or anyones mouth) that you either want Disc golf to be taken seriously, big prestegious tournements that hightlight the sports best and legitimize this sport, or you want it to be be fun and feel like a festival and just another reason to get together with other golfers and party. ESPN isnt going to show up to film the sports best and its mediocre party and throw stuff around but if it stays big and actually got a real purse in their it could move in a legitimate direction. I realize it isnt going to be like football or golf but it could be taken seriously but definately not if we are trading out the biggest tournament for a festival type gig.

Well that's the thing about disc golf. As most of us can agree disc golf is still very much in its infancy. While popular among its players it still has fallen short of reaching the conscience of the general masses. Even the head of the PDGA has stated that direction of disc golf should be focused on grassroots. If the top prize was ten times of what it has been payed in the past I still don't think it would garner much attention...at least not in non-disc golf circles

Innova has reached back and made this tournament attainable to those who for all intensive purposes would never be able to qualify. And in the process it has created a controversy that it has not seen before. Disc golf is for the common man, and now even more so. And while I definetly understand the argument on why this shouldn't be done, I can also understand a reason on why it should be.

I am genuinely excited that Innova, the PDGA, and our disc golf community want to continue to see disc golf thrive. Not everything they (we) try will be successful, but then again nothing ventured is nothing gained. I'd almost be willing to bet that this years USDGC will be the most talked about one yet.

Id say it already is the most talked about one. Only time will tell what this does to / for the sport.

[Dr. Manhattan]

Several Random Thoughts/Questions:

1.) Someone stated that if (paraphrasing, I know I can quote but I am referencing several different ppl) an AM is rated a 920 and threw a 980, and Climo threw 20 under his rating, the AM would win. I know Innova is changing some things but are they taking the lowest score out of the equation to compute the winner? Are they going to use the "rating handicap" to calculate the winner? I would imagine that if a 920 throws a 980 and Climo throws a round well below his rating, Climo will still have fewer strokes. I thought the "rating handicap" was just to get more ppl playing.

2.) To Mashburn's point (that's scary to say) about Innova changing things and employing some ppl. who can think outside the box, I was in a meeting today w/our COO and I asked him what Einstein's definition of insanity is? Does it apply here? Maybe.............

3.) Why couldn't Innova have like a Pro-Am like one of the PGA tourneys that is played early on in the season. They have 2 tourneys in one. One tourney is the AM's (John Elway, Tony Romo, several hockey players, etc. are normally pretty strong competitors) and another tourney is the Pro's. Either way, ALOT more important things have to change in the sport to get it close to the national media. I completely understand your point Manhattan and I know you literally don't mean ESPN, but any type of national attention.

4.) I played so bad in the A.O. that if you took my best 18 holes from Fly Boy, and gave me a 27-hole rating, I still wouldn't of came close to qualifying. When I qualify for the USDGC, then you will know there is a major issue.

i cant say I have read exactly but that is what a handicap is. Based on what your rating is you may start each round at 10 under par or -10 strokes. Just like when they rate a tournament so many strokes over 18 holes = a certain rating. so they use you rating to determine what you should throw on a given course. If based on your rating you should throw a 50 and based on climos he should throw a 40 well they even that out by giving you 10 strokes. Then if you throw better that your rating suggest and climo throws under his rating you would be way out in the lead. It is like I have been saying, if you are dave, Ken, Nikko or that caliber of player you have almost no chance of winning. to get an idea look that the qualification sheet and you can see how they do it. About Einstein, well obviously there need to be changes but Im not sure this is the right direction. Oh well though. The reason they cant have 2 is because according to them the cost of the tournement is too much. An am tournament wont have to be paid out so can be put together for much cheaper than a pro tournement with a 12K purse. If you cant swing 1 then 2 isnt going to happen.

[DaltonDiscMan]

Several Random Thoughts/Questions:

1.) Someone stated that if (paraphrasing, I know I can quote but I am referencing several different ppl) an AM is rated a 920 and threw a 980, and Climo threw 20 under his rating, the AM would win. I know Innova is changing some things but are they taking the lowest score out of the equation to compute the winner? Are they going to use the "rating handicap" to calculate the winner? I would imagine that if a 920 throws a 980 and Climo throws a round well below his rating, Climo will still have fewer strokes. I thought the "rating handicap" was just to get more ppl playing.

2.) To Mashburn's point (that's scary to say) about Innova changing things and employing some ppl. who can think outside the box, I was in a meeting today w/our COO and I asked him what Einstein's definition of insanity is? Does it apply here? Maybe.............

3.) Why couldn't Innova have like a Pro-Am like one of the PGA tourneys that is played early on in the season. They have 2 tourneys in one. One tourney is the AM's (John Elway, Tony Romo, several hockey players, etc. are normally pretty

strong competitors) and another tourney is the Pro's. Either way, ALOT more important things have to change in the sport to get it close to the national media. I completely understand your point Manhattan and I know you literally don't mean ESPN, but any type of national attention.

4.) I played so bad in the A.O. that if you took my best 18 holes from Fly Boy, and gave me a 27-hole rating, I still wouldn't of came close to qualifying. When I qualify for the USDGC, then you will know there is a major issue.

i cant say I have read exactly but that is what a handicap is. Based on what your rating is you may start each round at 10 under par or -10 strokes. Just like when they rate a tournament so many strokes over 18 holes = a certain rating. so they use you rating to determine what you should throw on a given course. If based on your rating you should throw a 50 and based on climos he should throw a 40 well they even that out by giving you 10 strokes. Then if you throw better that your rating suggest and climo throws under his rating you would be way out in the lead. It is like I have been saying, if you are dave, Ken, Nikko or that caliber of player you have almost no chance of winning. to get an idea look that the qualification sheet and you can see how they do it. About Einstein, well obviously there need to be changes but Im not sure this is the right direction. Oh well though. The reason they cant have 2 is because according to them the cost of the tournement is too much. An am tournament wont have to be paid out so can be put together for much cheaper than a pro tournement with a 12K purse. If you cant swing 1 then 2 isnt going to happen.

Manhattan,

Are you saying that the USDGC is equating a difference of 10 b/w your rating and your rated round (shot 890, rating 880) to an actual 10 stroke difference on the course? I am clear on how the handicap system works but, as in ball golf, your handicap is an average of your 6 most recent rounds. There are a few, small multipliers built to account for course difficulty, what tees you play, etc. but the difference, on average, b/w your actual, par 72, 18 hole round and your post- round handicap is less than 3 strokes.

I support Innova and what they are trying to do and if I qualified, I would go but I am struggling w/ the concept of your player rating equating to actual strokes on the course, 1 for 1. I'm sure there is a multiplier that could be used to equate rating to strokes but I completely disagree with it being 1 for 1.

[keith johnson]

On a par 50-54 it is approx 1 stroke per every 10 ratings point, at par 55-60 between 8-9 points per stroke, par 61-65 about 7-8 and par 68-72 around 5-6 points per stroke - so if I was guessing at USDGC a 1000 rated round by a golfer shooting a par 68, would be about a 950 rated round shooting a 78.

Look at official round ratings for the Memorial - at Fountain Hills it was 10 points per stroke for the 18 holes, while it was 7 points per stroke for the 18 holes at Vista.

For the A/O it was 8 points per stroke at JP and 5 points per stroke difference at Fly Boy.

So using the Kellner logic - a player shooting 10 points OVER his rating would only gain 1- 2 strokes on ANY PAR course layout that exists for ratings (50-72) to a player that shot his rating. If he shot the 921,922, 921,932 as stated he would only gain 1- 2 strokes TOTAL on Climo shooting his rating, or if Ken shot 20 below each round he would gain 8-10 TOTAL strokes - still beating him but not by 10 per round.

You can find out everything you need to know about ratings (including a FAQ Section) here: http://www.pdga.com/ratings

[DaltonDiscMan]

On a par 50-54 it is approx 1 stroke per every 10 ratings point, at par 55-60 between 8-9 points per stroke, par 61-65 about 7-8 and par 68-72 around 5-6 points per stroke - so if I was guessing at USDGC a 1000 rated round by a golfer shooting a par 68, would be about a 950 rated round shooting a 78.

Look at official round ratings for the Memorial - at Fountain Hills it was 10 points per stroke for the 18 holes, while it was 7 points per stroke for the 18 holes at Vista.

For the A/O it was 8 points per stroke at JP and 5 points per stroke difference at Fly Boy.

So using the Kellner logic - a player shooting 10 points OVER his rating would only gain 1- 2 strokes on ANY PAR course layout that exists for ratings (50-72) to a player that shot his rating. If he shot the 921,922, 921,932 as stated he would only gain 1- 2 strokes TOTAL on Climo shooting his rating, or if Ken shot 20 below each round he would gain 8-10 TOTAL strokes - still beating him but not by 10 per round.

You can find out everything you need to know about ratings (including a FAQ Section) here: http://www.pdga.com/ratings

Keith,

Isn't everyones round rating based on what the winning score of the pro/highest division?

[gvan]

Isn't everyones round rating based on what the winning score of the pro/highest division?

No.

How are ratings for an event calculated?
The scores thrown by propagators each round are used to calculate the SSA rating for a specific course layout. A propagator is a current member whose rating is over 799 and is based on at least 8 rounds. As long as there are 5 propagators playing a course layout, ratings can be calculated. The average rating of all propagators will equal the average rating they get for the round – always. If the same course layout is used more than one round, the scores from multiple rounds will be used to determine an overall SSA, as long as the individual round SSAs come out close to each other, so everyone gets the same rating for the same score on the same course. If the SSAs are significantly different, likely due to varying wind conditions, the round ratings will be calculated separately. If a propagator shoots more than 60 points below their rating, their score will not be used in the SSA calculations.

[Brian Lang]

Were some players that were previously listed as being invited get removed after adding the MA2 invitees?

[Woodrow]

Yes.