Redan REDUX - Dec 11, 2010

[Woodrow]

[Woodrow]

Just a tease.......

[Matt_]

Don't tease, give us more!

[Woodrow]

Okay! Now y'all know the deal. All we need now is a commitment of 7 more METAL baskets to make it happen. The upper layout is dependent on 8 portables and I have one. The practice basket is another. Show me what ya' got!

The day's format will be based on standard 2nd Saturday Action, with a twist. The major difference of course, is in the course, of course. See the map. And in true Redan fashion, we'll throw in some WORKS, which actually isn't that different from the last few times this happened. But this go-round, we'll mix it all together. What that means is that everyone will be playing the ho hum regular ol' two round standard casual format for $15 with 4-$1 ctps, excluding the ace fund for a $21 total buy-in, what with the non-negotiable, compulsory $2 registration/postage & handling/UDG/set-up/TD's a douche fee which is a bargain for as much fun this will be! AND everyone will also be playing WORKS at the same time, on their card. Hence the absence of an ace fund. When you hit an ace playing WORKS, you will be paid handsomely by your group, plus you won't have to fret over possibly splitting what would be a mediocre ace fund too.

OMG!! That sounds soooooo complicated! But it ain't. Each round, every group will get a spectacular 4x8 copyrighted custom professional scorecard formatted for WORKS scoring with all the guidelines, rules, regulations and principles printed on the reverse. There will also be a quick tutorial on the scoring and payout procedures along with the normal dribble that TDs spew at every single drawn out, long-winded rhetorical player's meeting before we begin. You don't want to miss it!

There will be NO 2-meter rule in effect.
There will be NO buncr rule.
There will be NO whining.
There will be NO dancing girls.
There WILL be a compulsory fee to play.*

4-somes will be the norm regardless of how many show up and 5-somes may be necessary to insure the format works, for WORKS. WORKS is no fun with a 3-some and WORKS is FUN!! See NO number 3. Besides, WORKS will be where most of the action will be. (Bring a wad of singles. I'll have plenty of quarters, of course.) As it stands now, there will be only one division unless at least 5 Ams show up(to bag). Action for Baggers will be 5-4-2 for an $11 total buy-in for that(those) group(s) with WORKS optional(I hate saying that.) On the flip side, Baggers will be allowed to play with the big boys for nothing if they want, but must play WORKS with that group. Grouping will be based on MY opinion of expected performance for the 1st round to make WORKS valid for everyone. Hey! I can be impartial, really. It would also be nice that if you plan to be there, post it here. If it's raining(or sleeting or snowing), I won't be there and we'll try again next year. Otherwise:

Registration begins at 9:00 AM (Or whenever I get there.)
Player's Meeting at 9:30 AM (At the picnic tables between 3 & 9.)
Tee off at 10:00 AM

PLEASE PARK ONLY IN THE PAVED PARKING LOTS!

If you have a decent metal basket(or four) to bring, let me know. I'll keep track here and we'll need it there in place by 9:00 AM Saturday morning, so coordinate with me and I'll have the spot marked for you. Tee areas and pin placement on the upper layout will be marked by Friday.

A note to finish: PLEASE BE DISCREET > This is not a PDGA sanctioned, ADGO sanctioned, or official park event in any way. It is only casual action and I will not take any responsibility or liability for anyone's actions other than my own. The course will not be closed or reserved and you must yield to civilians playing the regular course. I'll have other rules in that regard at the player's meeting, but for now, here's another tease:




*Just need to make sure I recoup my expenses.

[Dusty]

<---Bringing portable Mach5 basket.

[tlacue]

Kari and I think this sounds really fun. Any idea of how the women could play? Maybe we could get 2 more girls to make our own card.

Tracy

[Woodrow]

If 4 (Am)women show up, then they would certainly play in a separate group. Hope it happens! Otherwise, they are welcome to play with the Ams.

[Woodrow]

I still need a commitment from you out there for 6 more metal baskets if this is gonna' happen. Please don't wait until the last minute or I'll just give up on it. Tell ya' what; everyone that brings a basket will get a 50% discount on the player fee. That's right! One whole dollar for each basket you bring! How's that for a bargain!

[red]

If i'm not hunting I will be there. Either way you can grab my basket

[jritger]

I can't make it but you can use my metal basket (and as many fabrics as you need)

[Woodrow]

That's great! (But you don't get the discount unless you show up.)

[Woodrow]

Honestly, if the WORKS is sceerin' you away, we can drop it.

[billnchristy]

Can you explain what it is...I honestly don't know if I am scared or confused...the feeling is so similar.

[dandaman]

I have a basket..an M14, and it catches like a M14 (bonus dots!)

I am there for the Works...but don't be dissapointed when I leave frustrated for having to gain tewnty dollars but for only for the possibilty of securing my fibbertunities. As Wapow says: "Wouldn't want to be leader at the turn! Check your chicken!"

Possible Wapow sighting? Works Redux?

[Woodrow]

This is from a post some time ago. You can get the gist of it here but it will be modified a tiny bit to work along with tournament play. Details on that will be on the back of your scorecard(in a more concise format). Enjoy.

What the %^#$% is WORKS????

1 round of 18 / 5-7 Players

The Competition:
Low Round Score
- Par and over worth $4
- Under par worth $6
- Under par and bogey free worth $8
In the event of a tie, playoff continues until all paid positions determined. Sides not in effect. Ace/Double Dot(minus dots) rules in effect.
Payout:
5 players - Leader paid by 3. 2nd is no-pay.
6 players - Leader paid by 3. 2nd paid by 1.
7 players - Leader paid by 4. 2nd paid by 1.
Skins - $0.50 each
- 3 or less skins carried after 18 holes, skins dropped.
- 4 skins or more carried after 18 holes, all players continue, skins accumulate until won.
Membership (Bogey-free)
- Through 18 (Still a member) worth $1 - each member
- Under 18 (Last member) still worth $1- No ties; Membership determined by order of finish when lost on the same hole.
Sides:
Clots (CTP-Closest To Pin): 1 each of 18, cumulative leader worth $1, tie splits.
FIBs (First In Basket): 1 each of 18, cumulative leader worth $1, tie splits.
Dots (Basket or above on birdie try): cumulative leader worth $1, tie splits.
- Double Dot (Basket or above on the drive) worth $2, 2 dots
- Ace worth $10, no dots

Side bets to coerce foolish play is encouraged. i.e. "2 & 5" for that ridiculous run at the basket that results in a bogey will pay $2 for basket and above and $5 for the 'make'. Any and all side bets are insta-pay.

Crucial: Constantly reminding the leader in a none-to-subtle-manner that they are in fact in the lead is encouraged. (The leader may not work his underlings unless in direct retort to afore mentioned heckling.)

Payout: Each loser pays Winner and Runner-up full amount according to rate schedule. i.e. $4, $6 or $8.
All players pay each Sides winner according to worth.
Total paid by complete loser(not winner, not runner-up, no skins, not a member and not Clot, Dot or FIB leader) with no aces, no double dots and winner under par, bogey free and last member would be $21.00 ($8 for the round, $9 for skins, $1 for Membership, $1 for Clots, $1 for FIBs, $1 for Dots). Of course, if skins continue, add those and any Aces or Double Dots that occur.

Play starts on hole 10. (Smoke'em if you got'em.)
Flip mini's(ONLY) to determine starting order.



Since I have the time.....

Play proceeds normally. The difference comes in how you score and the strict attention to who is 'out'. Every hole is worth one skin and each skin is worth $0.50. A skin is awarded when one player scores better than all other players on the hole. Any skin not won carries forward until a player wins a hole outright and collects that skin and all that have carried forward to that point. CTP and FIB(first in basket) is recorded for each. Thus the importance of who is 'out'. Every Dot is recorded as well. A Dot is 'awarded' when a player's birdie putt hits basket or above but does not stay in. A Double Dot is for basket and above on a tee-shot, is recorded as 2 Dots and is also worth $2. Aces are worth $10 but no dots (because it stayed in the basket). Membership is revoked when a player scores a bogey or worse. Membership after 18 holes are completed is worth $1 to each member. In the case of two or more players losing membership on the same hole with both being last to do so, Last Member is the one who reaches the bogey score last. Again, the importance of who is 'out' comes in to play.

Also, if after 18 holes are played and 4 or more skins remain, the entire group continues until the skins are won with each additional hole worth an additional skin. Accumulation of FIBs, Clots and Dots stops after the original 18 and are no longer recorded, but Double Dots are still worth $2 and Aces are still worth $10.

If after the original 18, 2 or more players are tied for the lead or tied for runner-up, only those players continue until the finishing order is determined. Again, accumulation of FIBs, Clots and Dots stops and are no longer recorded, Double Dots are still worth $2 and Aces are still worth $10 but only paid by the continuing players. It is possible that this playoff be simultaneous with a 'skin' playoff which also means Double Dots and Aces are paid by all.

With all that, let's look at what happened here:

Woodrow 49(-5) Winner, paid by 3($24.00)
1 skin($0.50), Last Member - Still a Member($1), 4 Clot - 1 off Clot lead, 2 FIB - 3 off FIB lead, 1 Dot - 3 off Dot lead
worth $1.50, +$19.51 total
Matlack 51(-3) 2 off lead, no-pay
8 skins($4.00), Not a Member after 16, 5 Clot - co-Clot leader($0.50), 5 FIB - FIB leader($1.00), 4 Dot - co-Dot leader($0.33)
worth $5.88, +$17.16 total
Moose 52(-2) 3 off lead, pays $8.00
3 skins($1.50), Not a Member after 1, 3 Clot - 2 off Clot lead, 4 FIB - 1 off FIB lead, 3 Dot - 1 off Dot lead
worth $1.50, -$12.49 total
Plotky 54(E) 5 off Lead, pays $8.00
2 skins($1.00), Not a Member after 4, 1 Clot - 4 off Clot lead, 4 FIB - 1 off FIB lead, 4 Dot - co-Dot leader($0.33)
worth $1.33, -$13.34 total
Carlos 56(+2) 7 off lead, pays $8.00
2 skins($1.00), Not a Member after 5, 5 Clot - co-Clot leader($0.50), 3 FIB - 2 off FIB lead, 4 Dot - co-Dot leader($0.33)
worth $1.88, -$10.84 total

2 skins dropped.

Woodrow finished with a 49; low score and outright winner under par and bogey free. He was also still a Member. He had 4 CTPs, 2 FIBs and 1 Dot during the round and won 1 skin. He's worth $1.50 ($1 for membership and $0.50 for the skin).

Matlack finished with a 51; runner-up and under par. He lost Membership on the 16th hole. He had 5 CTPs and tied for the CTP lead, had 5 FIBs and was FIB leader, had 4 Dots and in a 3-way tie for Dot leader, and won 8 skins. He's worth $5.83 ($0.50 for Clots, $1 for FIBs, $0.33 for Dots and $4 for skins).

Moose finished with a 52 and lost Membership on the 1st hole (Doh!). He had 3 CTPs, 4 FIBs, 3 Dots and won 3 skins. He's worth $1.50 (for the skins).

Plotky finished with a 54 and lost Membership on the 4th hole. He had 1 CTP, 4 FIBs, 4 Dots and in a 3-way tie for Dot leader, and won 2 skins. He's worth $1.33 ($0.33 for Dots and $1 for the skins).

Carlos finished with a 56 and lost Membership on the 5th hole. He had 5 CTPs and tied for the CTP lead, had 3 FIBs, 4 Dots and in a 3-way tie for Dot leader, and won 2 skins. He's worth $1.83 ($0.50 for Clots, $0.33 for Dots and $1 for skins).

No one won the skins for the last 2 holes, so those were dropped.

The payout went like this:

Woodrow paid Matlack $4.33 for Sides ($5.83-$1.50), was paid $8 for the game by Moose and $0 for Sides ($1.50-$1.50), was paid $8 for the game by Plotky and $0.17 for Sides ($1.50-$1.33), was paid $8 for the game by Carlos and paid Carlos $0.33 for Sides ($1.83-$1.50).
Total = $19.51 (-$4.33+$8+$8+$0.17+$8-$0.33)

Matlack was paid $4.33 by Woodrow for Sides ($5.83-$1.50), was paid $4.33 by Moose for Sides ($5.83-$1.50), was paid $4.50 by Plotky for Sides ($5.83-$1.33), was paid $4 by Carlos for Sides ($5.83-$1.83).
Total = $17.16 (+$4.33+$4.33+$4.50+$4)

Moose paid Woodrow $8 for the game and $0 for Sides ($1.50-$1.50), paid Matlack $4.33 for Sides ($5.83-$1.50), was paid $0.17 by Plotky for Sides ($1.50-$1.33), paid Carlos $0.33 for Sides ($1.83-$1.50).
Total = -$12.49 (-$8-$4.33+$0.17-$0.33)

Plotky paid Woodrow $8 for the game and $0.17 for Sides ($1.50-$1.33), paid Matlack $4.50 for Sides ($5.83-$1.33), paid Moose $0.17 for Sides ($1.50-$1.33), paid Carlos $0.50 for Sides ($1.83-$1.33).
Total = -$13.34 (-$8-$0.17-$4.50-$0.17-$0.50)

Carlos paid Woodrow $8 for the game was paid $0.33 by Woodrow for Sides ($1.83-$1.50), paid Matlack $4.00 for Sides ($5.83-$1.83), was paid $0.33 by Moose for Sides ($1.83-$1.50), was paid $0.50 by Plotky for Sides ($1.83-$1.33).
Total = -$10.84 (-$8+$0.33-$4+$0.33+$0.50)

It all balances: +$19.51(Woodrow) + $17.16(Matlack) - $12.49(Moose) - $13.34(Plotky) - $10.84(Carlos) = $0.00

So, in conclusion, you can see that skins is where the real money is, sides can be as important as overall score and finishing bogey free is key. Also, bring some change and plenty of small bills.
Here endith the lesson.

[Woodrow]

Okay, as I see it, this is the baskets we have(committed) so far:

1 - Mine
2 - Dusty's
3 - Ritger's
4 - Rob's
5 - Dan's
6 -
7 -
8 -

....AND, we might even have one whole card show up to play! WOOT!

[jonp]

I'll be there...WORKS!

[Matt_]

If the weather is nice and you drop the $10 ace payout for Works I'll play.

[Woodrow]

Look at that map again. Did you notice that there are only 2 or 3 holes that have even a remote chance of being aced? Grumble, grumble...pussy!

[billnchristy]

Unrolls score-scroll to check rule 17.b.11.2.iii to ensure payout is exactly $14.53.



Need one more lady, Tracy,Kari is/will Dana going to come? Christy will play.

[tlacue]

We're gonna try and get Dana to play and Kari just shouted out to Chris O'Cleary on Facebook so that's a long shot but it could happen. I'm not really into the works though; just thought it'd be fun to play and I'm not really one to place a wager on anything.

Tracy

[billnchristy]

Well if you get 4 you could do whatever you wanted...right?

[dandaman]

My basket is out-

I'm voluenteering my time for the angel tree...

[Woodrow]

Unrolls score-scroll to check rule 17.b.11.2.iii to ensure payout is exactly $14.53.

Here's a simpler version that will also be on the reverse of your scorecard.

[Woodrow]

Still looking for baskets!

1 - Mine
2 - Dusty's
3 - Ritger's
4 - Rob's
5 - Dan's(NOT)
6 -
7 -
8 -

Need 4 more!

[Woodrow]

I'm hearing more interest out there! Good news.
Hope it doesn't rain. Tune in Friday night for the forecast.

[kdianich]

I really wanna play this if the weather's not ridiculous. Is there still a shortage of baskets?
You probably have plenty of fabric baskets offered, but if not, mine's available...
This coming from a barney and all, but couldn't you unlock the baskets you're not using on this layout and temp them into the new holes needing baskets just for the day?
Educate me please!

[dandaman]

This coming from a barney and all, but couldn't you unlock the baskets you're not using on this layout and temp them into the new holes needing baskets just for the day?
Educate me please!

If you provide the extra eight anchors, concrete, and manpower to make it happen then this idea can be done! But once again you would need to provide eight original Mach III anchors that cannot be purchased online and must be special made+ concrete + manpower....OR you could dig up some of the more unlikable pin placements (too many to list) and bust off the concrete on those, then dig some new holes where the freshly purchased (fabricated, dug) anchors would need to be (ask Woody on that one...), add new concrete (which you would have to provide), and MAKE SURE THOSE BASKETS ARE AT REGULATION HEIGHT! (because we don't like missing putts on unregulated baskets)and Then watch the magic happen!

Or you could come to realization that while this idea might work the most simple thing to do would be for others to provide temporary baskets. Afterall it is just for the day.

[dandaman]

This coming from a barney and all, but couldn't you unlock the baskets you're not using on this layout and temp them into the new holes needing baskets just for the day?
Educate me please!

If you provide the extra eight anchors, concrete, and manpower to make it happen then this idea can be done! But once again you would need to provide eight original Mach III anchors that cannot be purchased online and must be special made+ concrete + manpower....OR you could dig up some of the more unlikable pin placements (too many to list) and bust off the concrete on those, then dig some new holes where the freshly purchased (fabricated, dug) anchors would need to be (ask Woody on that one...), add new concrete (which you would have to provide), and MAKE SURE THOSE BASKETS ARE AT REGULATION HEIGHT! (because we don't like missing putts on unregulated baskets)and Then watch the magic happen!

Or you could come to realization that while this idea might work the most simple thing to do would be for others to provide temporary baskets. Afterall it is just for the day.

Sorry dude-I couldn't help myself. I'm really not such a smarta** most of the time. I'm a DG'r and you know how we can be sometimes... The reality of reality.

[Matt_]

Sorry dude-I couldn't help myself. I'm really not such a smarta** most of the time. I'm a DG'r and you know how we can be sometimes... The reality of reality.

Don't feel too bad, if you hadn't said this Woody would have

Myself and 2 others will be there for Adv if it doesn't rain.

[African]

I'm planing on coming out with a skill-shot basket if needed. I just hope the rains going to hold out long enough for two rounds.

[Woodrow]

After seeing the flow of play this past weekend at Sequoyah and how little daylight we'll have Saturday, I've decided to run this as a typical 2nd Saturday. The possibility of rain is a factor too. This means that we will be playing two rounds of 18 without WORKS. There will still be no ace fund because we won't have time for a playoff, so the entry fee will be the same at $21 for Open and $11 for Amateur. That will make it possible to go out in 3-somes and get the rounds in much faster. IF it does work out that a 4-some is needed, I will be in that group along with any other experienced WORKS players and run the action if all in that group agree.

The layout went in today with the tee pad and basket locations on the back nine marked by orange surveyor flags. Check the map in this thread and go practice if you like. The front nine baskets are in the correct locations except for 3c and 5c; Friday afternoon for those.

We still need metal baskets. As of now, these are what we have.

1 - Mine (Got it.)
2 - Dusty's (Confirmed)
3 - Ritger's
4 - Rob's (Got it.)
5 - Steve's (Got it.)
6 - Craig's
7 -
8 -

Check in here Friday night for a 'GO', 'NO-GO' weather forecast.

[$Dollar$]

http://beta.weather.com/weather/weekend/11350:19

[Woodrow]

Hell yeah!!!

[tlacue]

"Sorry dude-I couldn't help myself. I'm really not such a smarta** most of the time. I'm a DG'r and you know how we can be sometimes... The reality of reality."

by the way, the "dude" is a lady and we were just asking. no need to be such a "dude".

we'll be there with bells on Woody.

see ya'll tomorrow. we're gonna have a heat wave.

tracy

[Woodrow]

We're lookin' golden!

Sat Forecast Mostly Cloudy
9am 10am 11am Noon 1pm 2pm 3pm 4pm
Temp (°F) 45° 51° 52° 55° 56° 58° 57° 56°
RealFeel® 49° 56° 59° 61° 61° 62° 59° 57°
Wind (mph) 2 E 2 ESE 3 SE 4 SSE 4 SSE 4 SSE 4 SSE 3 SE
Humidity 43% 38% 36% 35% 34% 35% 37% 41%
Dewpoint 23 26 26 28 28 30 31 32

Simply PERFECT!

[grease]

Stop picking on the dudettes Daniel!

[African]

So start time will be at 10:30, as per a typical second Saturday, right?

[Woodrow]

We're a GO! (Pending the apocalypse.)

Registration begins at 9:00 AM

MANDATORY Player's Meeting at 9:30 AM (At the picnic tables between 3 & 9.)

Tee off at 10:00 AM

Open players will be playing the ho hum regular ol' two round standard casual format for $15 with 4-$1 ctps, excluding the ace fund for a $21 total buy-in, what with the non-negotiable, compulsory $2 registration/postage & handling/UDG/set-up/TD's a douche fee, which is still a bargain!

Amateur and Women players will be playing for $5 with 4-$1 ctps, excluding the ace fund for a $11 total buy-in. ($2 fee; remember?)

Open CTPs = #3(2nd throw), #4(2nd throw), #7(2nd throw) and #16
Am CTPs = #6(2nd throw), #14, #15 and #17

Women's division offered if 3 or more show up to play. (With their own CTPs too!)

There will be NO 2-meter rule in effect.
There will be NO buncr rule.
There will be NO whining.
There will be NO dancing girls.
There WILL be a compulsory fee to play.*

We still need 2 metal baskets. Please have them there by 9:00.
(I will have 2 portables as a backup.)

1 - Mine (Got it.)
2 - Dusty's (Confirmed)
3 - Ritger's (Got it.)
4 - Rob's (Got it.)
5 - Steve's (Got it.)
6 - Craig's (Counting on it bud!)
7 -
8 -

[tlacue]

change in plans, i'm afraid. Kari is sick and i haven't heard from any other ladies so i'm gonna pass too. have a great time guys. catch you next year.

tracy